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[mbeach]

honestly, I Never thought Id see suggest negative comments
from people who own the same cars.
At this point, I really dont care who buys it or not,
really.

Like I said, it's a showpiece, without a dyno chart, it's still just bling. Which doesn't appeal to everyone.

Its funny though to see the ones who always have
something negative to say, are never the ones bringing
anything to the game.

...or selling anything



-The Backseat Engineer

[Vehi-Cross-Az]

Like I said, it's a showpiece, without a dyno chart, it's still just bling. Which doesn't appeal to everyone.


...or selling anything



-The Backseat Engineer

Your opinion doesnt make it fact
They dyno all their units in house, they all make
HP, theres no reason it wouldnt make HP on our vehicles.
Thats Fact, not opinion.

Not sure what "bling" you see in this part, since you barely
even see it once installed.
Sorry you find something wrong with me actually selling something
but thats how I make a living.
And trust me, Im not getting rich on these even when I do
sell them here or locally to other customers.
You make it out to my main goal is to just make a living.
My goals seem to be in question here, so let me lay it out for you
since you seem to know me.
My main goal is to help other VX owners find good quaility items for
their vehicles. Parts not readily available for such a rare vehicle.
If the process I get to try and test stuff for my own Vx, while others
who own them, possible get parts that never existed.
In the process if we actually make a few bucks the old fashion way
of free enterprise, so be it. Thats sort of what this country was built
on last time I checked.
If that bothers you, then maybe dont respond to the thread.

[CoastieCosta567]

AZ I agree with you, I know what you are doing, and i'll say it again, thank you. You keep up the good work, and don't pay attention to the negativity. I just don't simply understand why poeple in this world, includding in this site like to step on other people. I would understand if you showed no intrest to us whats so ever, But i know you care and thats all that matters. Agian Thank You. And for those that Just plain simply like to slap the docter for trying, just remeber what your mamas said when you where young, " if you don't have anything good to say, Don't say anything at all". AZ Good Job Bro.
And I still Love everybody here, not talking sides, just being real and honest.:bgwg: So lets just all get along .

[Chopper]

AZ I agree with you, I know what you are doing, and i'll say it again, thank you. You keep up the good work, and don't pay attention to the negativity. I just don't simply understand why poeple in this world, includding in this site like to step on other people. I would understand if you showed no intrest to us whats so ever, But i know you care and thats all that matters. Agian Thank You. And for those that Just plain simply like to slap the docter for trying, just remeber what your mamas said when you where young, " if you don't have anything good to say, Don't say anything at all". AZ Good Job Bro.
And I still Love everybody here, not talking sides, just being real and honest.:bgwg: So lets just all get along .

And if you can save a friend a few bucks, by calling something out....you suggest keeping your mouth shut? Some here make a living (and a hobby) with automobiles, not just a VX. This "spinning your air charge" thing has been around in one form or another for a few decades now. GM incorporates spin vanes in the intakes on Corvettes (better fuel air mix) but the idea just never produced enough to justify the weight of the piece (the gains are that small) If a throttle body spacer, or a Turbonator did anything real, don't you think it would be standard issue on every SCCA car to turn a wheel in anger?? Wouldn't every EVO, GT3, And Ferrari have one on it????Paah-leeze. This is not new tech....it's old myth. Wayne

[CoastieCosta567]

I'm a little confused? What you meant about that comment Chappa?

And if you can save a friend a few bucks, by calling something out....you suggest keeping your mouth shut? Some here make a living (and a hobby) with automobiles, not just a VX. This "spinning your air charge" thing has been around in one form or another for a few decades now. GM incorporates spin vanes in the intakes on Corvettes (better fuel air mix) but the idea just never produced enough to justify the weight of the piece (the gains are that small) If a throttle body spacer, or a Turbonator did anything real, don't you think it would be standard issue on every SCCA car to turn a wheel in anger?? Wouldn't every EVO, GT3, And Ferrari have one on it????Paah-leeze. This is not new tech....it's old myth. Wayne

[Ldub]

Your opinion doesnt make it fact
They dyno all their units in house, they all make
HP, theres no reason it wouldnt make HP on our vehicles.
Thats Fact, not opinion.

Not sure what "bling" you see in this part, since you barely
even see it once installed.
Sorry you find something wrong with me actually selling something
but thats how I make a living.
And trust me, Im not getting rich on these even when I do
sell them here or locally to other customers.
You make it out to my main goal is to just make a living.
My goals seem to be in question here, so let me lay it out for you
since you seem to know me.
My main goal is to help other VX owners find good quaility items for
their vehicles. Parts not readily available for such a rare vehicle.
If the process I get to try and test stuff for my own Vx, while others
who own them, possible get parts that never existed.
In the process if we actually make a few bucks the old fashion way
of free enterprise, so be it. Thats sort of what this country was built
on last time I checked.
If that bothers you, then maybe dont respond to the thread.

Don't take it too personal AZ, some of us "older fellas" been turnin' wrenches on this or that for 30-40 yrs.
Seen a lot of engineering fads come & go in that amount of time...that kind of experience breeds skepticism...simple as that.
You want to see an example of what I'm talkin' about, try to find Naoki's webpage (maybe someone will post a link), I don't think there is an accessory made, bogus or not, that he hasn't hung on his VX.
He has magnets all over the place to "straighten" electrons or something...it's somethin' to see.

[Vehi-Cross-Az]

Don't take it too personal AZ, some of us "older fellas" been turnin' wrenches on this or that for 30-40 yrs.
Seen a lot of engineering fads come & go in that amount of time...that kind of experience breeds skepticism...simple as that.
You want to see an example of what I'm talkin' about, try to find Naoki's webpage (maybe someone will post a link), I don't think there is an accessory made, bogus or not, that he hasn't hung on his VX.
He has magnets all over the place to "straighten" electrons or something...it's somethin' to see.

I totally understand, but keep in mind, Im in my mid 40s myself
and have been working on cars since I was 16.
I opened my performance shop back in 1990 here in Tucson
(motorsportwarehouse.com) and I spend half my day actually
talking customers out of $500 headers for their civics and $800
cat backs for their GM trucks etc, only to offer more reasonable
cost alternatives. Usually similar products without the inflated
brand name prices. Im the Only shop in town who does this.
Most shops reel you in and the promises of massive hp gains only
for the customer to be let down.
That said, I was very skeptical about this particular item myself a few
yrs ago when it came out.
I had customers coming in asking for it by name, so FINALLY I gave in
and started stocking a few of their (Helix) part #s.
After a few months I had customers coming in wanting to buy one
"because their buddy had bought one and loved it" Thats a quote
from a dozen or so customers. How could I argue with a customer at
that point. I wasnt even trying to sell them one, but from word of
mouth on its results alone from past customers, they sold themselves.
That said, thanks for the nice comments guys.
and to the other negative Neds, oh well, its your lose not mine living
in such a skeptical world.

[mbeach]

I don't think that I said anything negative, if it appeared so, then I apologize.

All I said was that it was a very nice piece of machine work, and would look good peeking out from behind a nice set of hoses. If you're into the show thing, then by all means jump on. As for performance gains, well, the jury's going to be out on that one for a long time...

Some members had mentioned that they wanted to see dyno'd results, something no manufacturer's really ever been able to come up with. Now if the part improves 'driveablity' then just say so -not everything can be quantified on a dyno. Take a short-shift kit, for example. It won't add a speck of horsepower, but it will make your shifts faster, and by association, your times will drop. If there's something out there that makes the VX "feel" quicker, stop faster, ride better, then by all means, find it and sell it.

Believe me, I spend all day dealing with old farts who have it all figured out. It's frustrating to pitch a new approach (on the most efficient way to push oil down a pipe, no less), only to have it poo-poo'd by some tech who's been around since tubes were the standard.
My challenge is to prove why my way is better - and prove why it's sensible to invest in the change.

So good luck in your ventures, you'll find a receptive community here, thankful for your efforts.

[Chopper]

My challenge is to prove why my way is better - and prove why it's sensible to invest in the change.

So good luck in your ventures, you'll find a receptive community here, thankful for your efforts.

There it is in a nutshell....no one is hatin' on ya. Just challenging you

[xdfarrx]

Damn you guys are bustin' this guys stones.

I've heard of these before, and if I recall right Calmini sold something like this.

Either way do what you like.

I like mod'ing my stuff. Ill try one.