Wow, ISIS hostage is from Prescott! Praying for Kayla!

[Vendetta]

...You can be a good person, and still have to defend your family... You can NOT do any of that, and still claim to be Jewish, Christian, or Muslim...

So, the moment a believer "exceptions" someone attempting to murder his family, he can no longer claim, in good faith (ahem...), to be a member of that faith?

..Imagine if no Jew, no Christian, and no Muslim went against those teachings...

But killing the non-believer in the name of religion is against only two of the three religions you point out. I do not think that the logical conclusion to the evolution of religious beliefs needs to be "we were once psycho nutjobs," but rather "there were once some psycho teachings in our religion, glad we sorted those out." That way, people could revere their faiths without having to sell them at the end of a sword. And, like you, I can't wait.

Kayla's faith led her to seek out the suffering and bring comfort. It's a sin in the truest sense that she got killed for that.

-V

[nocturnalVX]

But killing the non-believer in the name of religion is against only two of the three religions you point out.
-V

I am going to assume that you meant Judaism and Christianity, but the fact is that all three are Abrahamic religions. That means that they share a common history, and that they all claim to follow the 10 commandments. "Thou shalt not kill" being one of them. There are countless horror stories because this one simple rule is ignored. There is no "unless"... People can carry on waging wars, they can be in the military or police, and they can defend themselves and/or loved ones with lethal force. They just can NOT do any of these things AND claim to be a member of one of these faiths. They would be lying to themselves, and whatever God they believe in. That is why I gave up after 4 years of seminary school. I could not live with that lie.

[circmand]

I am going to assume that you meant Judaism and Christianity, but the fact is that all three are Abrahamic religions. That means that they share a common history, and that they all claim to follow the 10 commandments. "Thou shalt not kill" being one of them. There are countless horror stories because this one simple rule is ignored. There is no "unless"... People can carry on waging wars, they can be in the military or police, and they can defend themselves and/or loved ones with lethal force. They just can NOT do any of these things AND claim to be a member of one of these faiths. They would be lying to themselves, and whatever God they believe in. That is why I gave up after 4 years of seminary school. I could not live with that lie.

God did not make man to be infallible, as a matter of fact he created a system in which we are born with a sin upon our immortal soul. That is why confession was created for man to confess his sins and be absolved and still be able to enter the kingdom of heaven. So the simple fact the a man sins is not a concrete eviction from the faith never to be able to reenter. Of course is this thread which was started as a tribute to a kind soul that has sacrificed her life we want to threadjack into an argument about religion?

[nocturnalVX]

I didn't intend to thread jack, and I wouldn't classify this as an argument... just an discussion about the evils of religions' members. The subject is one that I care deeply about, and it is BECAUSE of the kind soul murdered that I had to share those feelings. I am glad to have met so many different and cool people through this forum (Sue being one of the nicest), and the subject hits harder when it hits so close. You are right though... I am done.