scared meself!!!

[Y33TREKker]

Watch it Dude. KAT is good people (she's helped out a lot more people on this forum than you have) & I wuz raised to protect our wimmin folks.

Mind your own business Dude. Kat is a grownup who apparently decided to participate in this thread and make the comments about me that she did of her own free will.

If she's going to take such actions, she has to accept that there may be consequences...just as I knowingly do when I voice the opinions here that I do.

And anyway, Kat has helped me with parts in the past too, and I've helped her with electromechanical suggestions for some of the VX issues she's had, but none of that seemed to make any difference in this case, so apparently it doesn't count as warranting your "protection"...so take your idle threats elsewhere.

[tom4bren]

You should have specified that in your post about your "success" then, because in the context of this thread, it's debatable that that's ALL you were implying in an effort to try to make the point you've been trying to make.

???

I got a decrease when I added the catch can.

I got even more decrease when I added the vent (which has the same effect as the crossover tube that originated this debacle).

It's not complete success so in the grand scheme of things we were both right. I'm not trying to be a sore winner ... or admit defeat. I'm not a 'know it all' (even though I joke around at always being right). I had an idea & I tried it out. It ain't perfect but it did help (pretty much the same success rate as my forefathers).

Mind your own business Dude. Kat is a grownup who apparently decided to participate in this thread and make the comments about me that she did of her own free will.

True. Please forgive me.

[Y33TREKker]

???

I got a decrease when I added the catch can.

Not what this thread was about, and like I said, you didn't mention/imply the catch-can as being the reason for the "success" you were claiming at that time.

I got even more decrease when I added the vent (which has the same effect as the crossover tube that originated this debacle).

No it doesn't. The way you described your original crossover tube idea would not have introduced a vent to atmosphere.

It's not complete success so in the grand scheme of things we were both right. I'm not trying to be a sore winner ... or admit defeat. I'm not a 'know it all' (even though I joke around at always being right). I had an idea & I tried it out. It ain't perfect but it did help (pretty much the same success rate as my forefathers).

As I said, I'm glad to hear your oil consumption decreased, but surely you can understand that some may not appreciate being pissed on and asking to accept that it's simply raining.

You're still claiming you were right about your original idea because you had success in decreasing your oil consumption but that decrease in consumption wasn't a result of your original idea...so sorry, but no...that's still not rain.

True. Please forgive me.

Consider it in the past.

[tom4bren]

Dude, you're either grasping at straws or you really don't understand the mechanics behind the PCV. AFAIK there isn't a positive pressure coming from the combusion chamber input where the PCV attaches so the breather will have the same effect as the crossover tube with or without the catch can. That said, I haven't measured it ... & I've proven myself to be fallible so please feel free to enlighten us less informed as to your logic.

[Y33TREKker]

Dude, you're either grasping at straws or you really don't understand the mechanics behind the PCV. AFAIK there isn't a positive pressure coming from the combusion chamber input where the PCV attaches so the breather will have the same effect as the crossover tube with or without the catch can. That said, I haven't measured it ... & I've proven myself to be fallible so please feel free to enlighten us less informed as to your logic.

The mechanics of a PCV system is not even what we're talking about now though Tom. What we WERE talking about is you trying to suggest that adding a vent filter to your oil cap is the exact same as the crossover tube idea you started this thread about.

Maybe you're just trying to save face now, but continuing to try to make what I've been saying appear illogical by grasping at your own straws to change the subject isn't the way to do it.

[tom4bren]

... adding a vent filter to your oil cap is the exact same as the crossover tube idea you started this thread about.

Please 'splain to me how it's not.

[Y33TREKker]

Please 'splain to me how it's not.

I already have...MULTIPLE times.

[VX KAT]

That's one way to look at it Kat, and it's entirely understandable why YOU would choose to view it that way given your past history of commenting in these threads.

Watch it Dude. KAT is good people (she's helped out a lot more people on this forum than you have) & I wuz raised to protect our wimmin folks.

Mind your own business Dude. Kat is a grownup who apparently decided to participate in this thread and make the comments about me that she did of her own free will.

If she's going to take such actions, she has to accept that there may be consequences...just as I knowingly do when I voice the opinions here that I do.

And anyway, Kat has helped me with parts in the past too, and I've helped her with electromechanical suggestions for some of the VX issues she's had, but none of that seemed to make any difference in this case, so apparently it doesn't count as warranting your "protection"...so take your idle threats elsewhere.

I speak of my own free will, that's absolutely correct.

I just call 'em as I see 'em, and WHENEVER I feel 'em.

A prior positive interaction with someone here, does not, necessarily have a connection or control my comments in this thread.

If I happen to agree I may post that, if I don't agree I may post that as well.

They're not all cliques TREK, it's just that sometimes Group A agrees on the same "things", sometimes a few from Group B may agree with Group A, Some from Group C may agree with something said in Group A and B....etc, etc..... There's almost an infinite number of configurations of "groups".

The fact that there appears to be a pretty good number of folks that don't share your opinions in this thread, is just another random collection of members that I'll call a "group", that happen to share the same opinion on this particular topic or comments....that does not make them a clique.

And IMHO, Jo and VXObsession could not have summarized it any better!

I happen to be one of those folks Jo has had a few long discussions - face to face - into the wee hours of the morning discussing some very deep differences of opinions on a few topics. Yet because we're both mature adults and respect each other, we very amicably "agreed to disagree" AND MOVED ON! We continue to have a very good friendship both on the forum and by phone and email. In fact, we even still get a few laughs in ABOUT OUR DISAGREEMENTS!
That's what many people here are trying to get across to you TREK. Just politely agree to disagree and MOVE ON!

I sold you some stuff because any differences of opinion we may have had or have didn't matter, we rose above it and acted like mature adults.

There's no mob or mafia or clique here thats collaborating and joining forces to "get you" in some manner. That's paranoia. As many have mentioned, most of us come here and participate for the sole love of the VX. Any further similarities or commonalities of beliefs are pure coincidence whenever a large group of people get together.

When most of us "agree to disagree" on something here and move on, and continue on with our enjoyment of this site, it makes someone who nitpicks, and continues on and on disagreeing about something or some points, it makes that person appear to ENJOY the disharmony and friction it causes.

Ever heard the phrase: I learned long ago, never wrestle with a pig. You just get all dirty, and the pig ENJOYS it.

IMHO, you're kinda lookin' like that.

[Y33TREKker]

I speak of my own free will, that's absolutely correct.

I just call 'em as I see 'em, and WHENEVER I feel 'em.

A prior positive interaction with someone here, does not, necessarily have a connection or control my comments in this thread.

If I happen to agree I may post that, if I don't agree I may post that as well.

Same here Kat.

They're not all cliques TREK, it's just that sometimes Group A agrees on the same "things", sometimes a few from Group B may agree with Group A, Some from Group C may agree with something said in Group A and B....etc, etc..... There's almost an infinite number of configurations of "groups".

The fact that there appears to be a pretty good number of folks that don't share your opinions in this thread, is just another random collection of members that I'll call a "group", that happen to share the same opinion on this particular topic or comments....that does not make them a clique.

The problem with your logic is that there is also a random collection of members that DO happen to share my opinion. Just because they choose not to voice that opinion publicly (for good reason) doesn't automatically mean you can assume they don't exist.

And IMHO, Jo and VXObsession could not have summarized it any better!

I happen to be one of those folks Jo has had a few long discussions - face to face - into the wee hours of the morning discussing some very deep differences of opinions on a few topics. Yet because we're both mature adults and respect each other, we very amicably "agreed to disagree" AND MOVED ON! We continue to have a very good friendship both on the forum and by phone and email. In fact, we even still get a few laughs in ABOUT OUR DISAGREEMENTS!
That's what many people here are trying to get across to you TREK. Just politely agree to disagree and MOVE ON!

Once again, you're simply (and conveniently) directing your suggestion to the wrong person.

I sold you some stuff because any differences of opinion we may have had or have didn't matter, we rose above it and acted like mature adults.

There's no mob or mafia or clique here thats collaborating and joining forces to "get you" in some manner. That's paranoia.

Maybe, maybe not. Some of you sure do seem to be "joining forces" in this thread after all.

As many have mentioned, most of us come here and participate for the sole love of the VX. Any further similarities or commonalities of beliefs are pure coincidence whenever a large group of people get together.

When most of us "agree to disagree" on something here and move on, and continue on with our enjoyment of this site, it makes someone who nitpicks, and continues on and on disagreeing about something or some points, it makes that person appear to ENJOY the disharmony and friction it causes.

Once again, it could be said that you're simply (and conveniently) directing your suggestion to the wrong person/people.

Ever heard the phrase: I learned long ago, never wrestle with a pig. You just get all dirty, and the pig ENJOYS it.

IMHO, you're kinda lookin' like that.

Well when you put it like THAT, how in the world could anyone EVER say you've made any comments in threads such as this that could be viewed as sowing any of the types of threads of discontent as you've just blamed me nonstop of doing with your post.

[Ldub]

The problem with your logic is that there is also a random collection of members that DO happen to share my opinion. Just because they choose not to voice that opinion publicly (for good reason) doesn't automatically mean you can assume they don't exist.

Most of my imaginary friends had disappeared by the time I was 3 or 4...I still have a couple, but DUDE...rlly?

[Y33TREKker]

Most of my imaginary friends had disappeared by the time I was 3 or 4...I still have a couple, but DUDE...rlly?

"Random collection of members" sounds like a structure with no leg to stand on... or a maybe a gay porno... or maybe a gay porno with no leg to stand on! "Thaaat's naaasty..."

Well as I've already said, any or all of you (and you apparently know who you are) are free to believe what I've said is not true if you like, but you believing it doesn't make it a reality.

[Ldub]

but you believing it doesn't make it a reality.

likewise, i'm sure...


can't believe you've fallen back on tha "i know you are, what am i" retort...though no one expects much more of you...

[ZEUS]

Well as I've already said, any or all of you (and you apparently know who you are) are free to believe what I've said is not true if you like, but you believing it doesn't make it a reality.

Hey, I just think "Random collection of members" sounds funny! With that said though, I have been tempted to ask you to start a poll regarding these apparently atrocious contrasting views you repeatedly mention. Votes are anonymous. I want to see how many peeps you are in cahoots with behind the scenes - 1 or 5 or 50 or 100?! Obviously, that is the exact opposite of the 'ignore' function. However, it could be very simple & perhaps even educational fun (I already have some rules & goals of a game all written out)... what do ya say? Are you ready for us all to realize your following?

[Ldub]

Hey, I just think "Random collection of members" sounds funny! With that said though, I have been tempted to ask you to start a poll regarding these apparently atrocious contrasting views you repeatedly mention. Votes are anonymous. I want to see how many peeps you are in cahoots with behind the scenes - 1 or 5 or 50 or 100?! Obviously, that is the exact opposite of the 'ignore' function. However, it could be very simple & perhaps even educational fun (I already have some rules & goals of a game all written out)... what do ya say? Are you ready for us all to realize your following?

where's that dam "like" button when ya need it...