Quote Originally Posted by circmand View Post
When an armed robber breaks into your home at gun point and takes stuff you worked hard to get he gets arrested and sent to jail?

But when the government takes money right from your pay check and threatens to take everything from you backed up by the threat of gunpoint it is considered morally right?

HWJ if you want to take all your wordly possesions sell them and give them to the poor that would be charitable and human. But when you or other liberals decide to take my property and income and give them to other people YOU consider deserving that is socialism. I dontae time and money to organizations I feel are worthy. That is my right. What gives you the right to decide where my money goes?

Did you realize that before you get your paycheck the FEd takes over 30% off the top. Then depending what state you live in they take 8%, then depending on the muni you live in another 5%. If you own your own home they take several thousand a year. On top of that any money you spend there is sales tax around 8%. This is the level of taxes not for the rich but for the average working. Of which there were more under Bush @ 6% unemployment than BO at 10% even after paying unions and govt workers $800,000,000,000 under the so called stimulous. That means the average worker pays 50% of his money in taxes. That is TOO MUCH.

I am all for helping my fellow man. I doubt you could find many people who gleefully watches his fellowman starve. However, I have a pecking order and while it may be selfish it is my family first. For some reason liberals seem to think there is an endless upply of money just sitting around. There is not and you just cant keep spending money for every program even if it is a good cause without cutting it elsewhere.
I find it interesting that you were not complaining about taxes when Bush was in office...And at this time taxes are exactly the same now as they were then, Obama is not raising taxes, The uneven Bush tax cuts are now expiring for those who make 250 grand a year or more...I think it's not that you mind paying taxes, You just don't like paying them to a black guy with a funny name.

Quote Originally Posted by Marlin View Post
You are exactly right, but it is NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB to provide for others. That is what churches, charities, neighbors and family are for. Taking from me what I worked my *** off for and giving to someone who did not is not helping anyone.
The economic crisis spawned from the housing crash. PERIOD. In the Navy, your job is defined by your rate. We have a saying, "choose your rate, choose your fate". If you chose to work in a non-secure field and subsequently lose your job, get over it and move on. There are lots of jobs out there, I am sure I can take a white collar worker and they can do manual labor just fine, they just aren't willing to "stoop" to that level. So do not give me that whiny "life isn't fair" BS. The jobs are out there, you might have to move, Alaska has a bunch of jobs. Believe it or not, living in Southern California is not a right. Having a nice car is not a right. Having a boat and your own house is not a right. Health care is not a right. Having a gun is a right, having the freedom of speech is a right.
I don't think it's the governments job to start pre-emptive wars .It's cool you work for the Navy, The Navy is funded by taxpayers, So basically you work for me. I know the military basically will take anyone who can hold a gun and count to three. In other words, It's not like a company that wants to see experience or education, They just bottom feed for people that have no other options but to shoot or be shot.

I am all for my tax dollars funding wars to shoot the poor underprivileged overseas as long as some of my tax dollars are used to feed the poor and underprivileged that live in every town in the US. Some of them, ex-military, some of them republicans, and some of them bums milking the system.
I lived through the Bush years and watched him take this country to a new low, and watched McCain promise he'd do things the same...That's why he lost.
Obama would not have to be putting out so much seed money if Bush spent more time thinking about the country and less time taking vacations ( more than any other sitting Prez)