Thoughts on Hummer Hx concept

[ZEUS]

AMEN! IFS and IRS, that's the wrong approach for the target audience, we all know... you... need... to know... your audience. Hummers are big toys, Jeeps are big toys, both were born with a military heart and an off road personality. If Hummer must stay indy-susp. at least make it work! Sidenote: Did you know American Motors sold Jeep so they could become American General? American Motors stopped making Jeeps so they could make Hummers because Jeeps were too small for the new technology and weaponry in the military. That is why both brands share the 7 slot grill design, which is why Jeep later tried to sue Hummer. Irony. If we are going to have this strange blending of designs... and Jeeps with IFS... it would be nice if both brands were sold to one American corporation since neither Chrysler nor GM can seem to get things right. Take the future HX, H2, H3, Commander, Grand Cherokee, Liberty, etc. models and offer a 'Rubicon' package for each - strong solid axles, 4:1 t-cases, and lockers, for those who will use them. Keep the IFS setup as standard equipment for the street types who would rather have a cushy ride than to go offroad. You can get a muscle car, a Mustang, with a V6 engine... at least Ford redeems itself by offering the V8 to those who know what a muscle car is for! Off highway inspired vehicles deserve that same redemption!
-rant over-

[plasticboob]

Sidenote: Did you know American Motors sold Jeep so they could become American General? American Motors stopped making Jeeps so they could make Hummers because Jeeps were too small for the new technology and weaponry in the military.

That's not exactly true - American Motors never sold Jeep; they were absorbed by Chrysler in 1987 and became Jeep/Eagle. Kaiser Jeep had a division called General Products which made military vehicles, and a Commerical Products division, which made everything else. When AMC took over in the early '70s, the General Products division was turned into a wholly-owned subsidiary called AM General in 1971. Sometime in the early '80s, American Motors sold AM General to LTV corp. The cool part is that the Humvee design started while AM General still had ties to AMC - the H1 is Jeep family, designed by Jeep people!

**EDIT** By the way, I agree with everything else you said, spot on!!! I do think IFS has its place in high-speed off-roading, in events like the Dakar. I'd love to see a turbo-diesel 4x4 IRS Liberty compete, but I don't see that happening any time soon what with Jeep's current sad state. Until then, I'm a fan of the BMW X3 X-Raids.

[ZEUS]

That's not exactly true - American Motors never sold Jeep; they were absorbed by Chrysler in 1987 and became Jeep/Eagle. Kaiser Jeep had a division called General Products which made military vehicles, and a Commerical Products division, which made everything else. When AMC took over in the early '70s, the General Products division was turned into a wholly-owned subsidiary called AM General in 1971. Sometime in the early '80s, American Motors sold AM General to LTV corp. The cool part is that the Humvee design started while AM General still had ties to AMC - the H1 is Jeep family, designed by Jeep people!

**EDIT** By the way, I agree with everything else you said, spot on!!! I do think IFS has its place in high-speed off-roading, in events like the Dakar. I'd love to see a turbo-diesel 4x4 IRS Liberty compete, but I don't see that happening any time soon what with Jeep's current sad state. Until then, I'm a fan of the BMW X3 X-Raids.

Nice answer. I get way too long winded with that much detail so it's so much easier to say very simple ramblings, ya know! The H1 is so Jeep family it uses Jeep parts - the Corp 20 diffs are used in the H1 and CJ's. Also, while I was in Moab this week I saw the Jeep engineers going out for a trail ride together... one of the rigs was a Rubicon edition Liberty - not sure what all is in it but it was still IFS... I think. Love the screen name BTW!

[Chopper]

That's not exactly true - American Motors never sold Jeep; they were absorbed by Chrysler in 1987 and became Jeep/Eagle. Kaiser Jeep had a division called General Products which made military vehicles, and a Commerical Products division, which made everything else. When AMC took over in the early '70s, the General Products division was turned into a wholly-owned subsidiary called AM General in 1971. Sometime in the early '80s, American Motors sold AM General to LTV corp. The cool part is that the Humvee design started while AM General still had ties to AMC - the H1 is Jeep family, designed by Jeep people!

**EDIT** By the way, I agree with everything else you said, spot on!!! I do think IFS has its place in high-speed off-roading, in events like the Dakar. I'd love to see a turbo-diesel 4x4 IRS Liberty compete, but I don't see that happening any time soon what with Jeep's current sad state. Until then, I'm a fan of the BMW X3 X-Raids.

I agree about the Jeep, and the X3, but watch Mitsi...here they come. They have it dialed in. P.S. I'll buy this baby Hummer, if they make it

[cyronman]

Hey, how does "plasticboob" get away with a screen-name like that on a G-rated forum?
:bwgr:

(welcome, i actually like it)

[Bulldoggie]

I like the convert-able design. It does look a little fat, but overall tough.
It will never be made with this rear fender design.
Anyone following "This" in the rain, would be like, being in the rooster-tail of a jet boat.


I wish we had a 6 speed tranny and remove-able roof panels

[mrtew]

I love it and would trade my VX in for it in a second!!!

[Chopper]

I love it and would trade my VX in for it in a second!!!

a bit extreme, don't you think?

[Chopper]

I like the convert-able design. It does look a little fat, but overall tough.
It will never be made with this rear fender design.
Anyone following "This" in the rain, would be like, being in the rooster-tail of a jet boat.


I wish we had a 6 speed tranny and remove-able roof panels

Since I put on the Nitto 404's, anyone behind me in the rain, is getting a first class, "follow the jet boat" experience. I enjoy driving in the rain, that much more these days.

[etlsport]

Since I put on the Nitto 404's, anyone behind me in the rain, is getting a first class, "follow the jet boat" experience. I enjoy driving in the rain, that much more these days.

lol chopper i thought your vx stayed home in the rain

[plasticboob]

I agree about the Jeep, and the X3, but watch Mitsi...here they come. They have it dialed in.

You're right, Mitsi is THE force to be reckoned with! I like the Pajeros too, I just think the X3 X-raid looks the best. :_drool:

Hey, how does "plasticboob" get away with a screen-name like that on a G-rated forum? (welcome, i actually like it)

Thanks for the welcome! OOPS! I really didn't pay any attention to the name; that's my 'standard' screen name that I've had since middle school, and I'm so used to it that I forgot that it might not be appropriate for some. People are probably wondering how it came about. Well, it all started with this:


But now days I just tell people that I'm a total boob when it comes to mechanical things; people seem to buy it for some reason.....

[plasticboob]

Now to get back on topic, I like the little Hummer. I can't see how it is going to compete with the Wrangler, but I think it will have its own little niche.

[Chopper]

Now to get back on topic, I like the little Hummer. I can't see how it is going to compete with the Wrangler, but I think it will have its own little niche.

Bet a lot get raced. GM seems to be doing things right lately.....they'll leave this soft....like a FJ....better for long susp.travel....let the owner set it up the way they need. Just in time for the North American DAKAR. If they really float this car, expect a big race support...Baja, all the Oz events, anywhere. I'm in.....if. BIG if.

[Thmstec]

I like it, but the more I look at it the more I think this has the same design problem our VX's have. Looking at that spare tire placement, this one will have zero use for the rear-view mirror too!