And Trekkie my boy, you will never have me fooled...
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And Trekkie my boy, you will never have me fooled...
Ya know, the saddest part of your comment above TREK is that Tom's comment in post #194 was a JOKE....a funny.....a moment of levity to make the reader smile or chuckle. .....but ....hmmm, what's that phrase YOU so often use ...."you didn't get it".Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
If you did "get it", then there's no need to go off into the detailed, all serious attitude, nit-picking on the technicalities of the oil/catch can/bypass/crossover thingy and who said what, or who said what FIRST over a year ago and made that mod to YOUR VX over a year ago. Wohoo, OK, you win, you're first TREK. Make ya feel better?
Meanwhile, Scott L, T4B, and myself, (and perhaps others here) are all ROFL at Tom's funny comment, and enjoying ourselves and our friendship here. :laugho:
What's in your wallet?
HEY TREKK, WHAT'S IN YOUR WALLET??I love it Sue...:rotate:
I'm sorry that my logic escapes you.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
Oh hell Tom, everyones logic escapes Trekkie!! Maybe we should all just calm down and take ZEUS's previous suggestion (I believe Jo and others have supported the notion) and just hit the ignore button...but then, what fun would that be? :_confused :rotate: Can't forget this one for my little Trekkie...:p This one too. ;)
Trust me, it's fun. :rotate:
Nope...
...havent hit ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Larson
Simply gave up.
Having tried to look at this from all sides, even offering a mea culpa or two....
..... the resultant replies made any further participation pointless.
Obviously on this here interweb, Trekker and I will not see eye to eye.
Maybe one day we can sit eye to eye..... I hope so.
jo
Another week since the vent install & no appreciable oil consumption. Still only 2 tanks though. I'll keep you posted. Rekin it's time to start collecting the parts I'll need for the crossover tube.
BTW - the P0442 code came back on Friday. It was a good run ... but maybe it's time to insert a crowbar in the wallet & procure a new gas cap (mebbe one to match the new 710 cap):)
Sorry Tom, I have it on good authority that your crossover-tube-thingy will never work, so it would seem (I've been told) that it is a complete waste of time. Now mind you good sir, I only tell you this so as to save you the unnecessary trouble and expense of continuing with this useless endeavor! Now if you've heard this somewhere before I humbly apologize, we may have both heard it from the same source...:_confused You may disregard my previous comments stating otherwise, sorry.:slap: ;)(For someone special) :rotate:
& I thank you for the warning/advice.:)
Remember however that scientists discovered 39 ways NOT to make a synthetic alternative to fish oil before they made WD-40 available to their adoring public.
Gimme at least one more try so that I can offer T4B-3.
I guess I owe you my thought process in claiming a partial success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
Ah yes, WD-40 the other nectar of the Gods...the God of all things mechanical, the God of all things electrical, the God of all things metal, the God of all things plastic, the God of all things rusty, the God of all things gunky, the God of all things etc, etc, etc...You do know they sell that stuff in 55 gallon drums right?
DANG ... it does all that???
I've just been using it to remove sticker residue & polish my cladding.
Now I'll hafta run out & buy me a 55 gal drum.
Don't forget the industrial sprayer to apply it!!
Not needed. I'll just use the one from my suntan lotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Larson
Had to add some oil at the 3rd fill up (~1/2 quart) ... but it's much mo betta than before.
EDIT:
This is good enough for me to decide that the crossover tube is worth the effort (sorta). I'll probably not put it on the Amigo just yet ... but since the valve covers are still not installed on Boy's Ebony, I'll definitely install the port on the right bank before I put them back on.
The thing you're still missing is that I don't HAVE to fool you Scott.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Larson
It's obvious that you already have YOURSELF fooled regarding this subject, and if I then went out of MY way to try to fool you, I'd fall into the same category of piling-on that you and your safety-in-numbers cohorts always seem to have to resort to...as further witnessed by the comments that followed your post I just quoted.
It's also obvious that you and some of your friends still don't want to accept or admit it, but I'm actually trying to help you (although mostly this message board) when I suggest that it's the attitude you're displaying here that is counter-productive. But, it's become obvious that you'll never acknowledge that about my comments, so maybe you'll listen to what this girl had to say about the topic.
http://http://mostlywater.org/cliques_retard_growth
Have a nice weekend.
That's one way to look at it Kat, and it's entirely understandable why YOU would choose to view it that way given your past history of commenting in these threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by VX KAT
You just keep telling yourself that Tom, since you don't even seem to understand that the only change you've made to your system that resulted in your recent results was the vent filter.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
If you'd simply added your crossover tube, your current results might actually count towards proving your "logic", but facts are facts, that ISN'T what you did.
And I'm glad to hear that your oil consumption has supposedly decreased, just as glad as I'd be to hear that from ANYONE who owns a VX with the oil consumption problem, but it's obvious that your quest to prove that you're never wrong about anything (jokingly of course ;) ) is obviously clouding the objectivity of your original project results...which logically...by your own admission...you haven't even completed yet.
UMMM, Nope. I'd already seen a 50% decrease in oil consumption when I added the catch can. There was still too much consumption for my taste so then I moved on to ensure maximum ventillation by adding the crossover tube or vent on the other side. Another significant decrease but still not enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
Next I'll try Seafoam or Rotella before the oil change. It has become my personnal vendetta to find the cure (short of an engine rebuild).
& thanks for the kind words. I'm probably now back to the acceptable limit for Isuzu (1 qt every 1000 miles). I was burning a quart every 300 miles.
Watch it Dude. KAT is good people (she's helped out a lot more people on this forum than you have) & I wuz raised to protect our wimmin folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
I'll repeat what Tom posted in an unrelated thread, let's take these "yellow-shoelace" contests elsewhere (like to PM's) and keep this crap off the open forum pages. It's all getting really, really old! :_mecker:
IMO, this is actually very interesting...
...and worth discussing, despite my recent commentary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
The article essentially defines 'cliques' as groups of generically like minded people that
act alike, think alike, dress alike etc...and parlays that into the "mob mentality" sphere
that you are so fond of accusing your detractors of falling victim to.
And, IMO.. rightly advances the opinion that this type of behavior "retards" ( not a word I approve of) growth.
So yea, I agree... the sentiment of this article you hang your hat on is very valid.
The problem is, and where your hypothesis falls apart...
...nothing could be further removed from the truth relative to people here.
You have been censured by individuals that encompass :-
Staunch Republicans, AND Staunch Democrats
Life long NRA'ers, and life long gun haters.
Confirmed religious people, and confirmed atheist and agnostics.
Pro Choice and Pro Life
Climate change believers and Climate change refuters
Pro ACA and radically anti ACA.
Pro gay marriage, and VERY anti gay marriage.
members who donate, and members that dont
McDonalds lovers, and Burger king lovers.
Miley fans, Miley haters !!
....etc etc!
I think you get the drift.
The fact is, even though the VX brings us all together in ONE love..
...we are in reality a VERY diverse and eclectic group of people.
Personally, its one of the MAIN reasons I enjoy the friendship of many here.
They do have very different stances on many aspects of life, compared to mine.
And we do push each other to question our views ...
I say that as fact, having had NUMEROUS discussion re politics/abortion/guns etc
with many members, and many that are also chastising you here.
We are IN NO WAY 'retarded' in our growth ....
In fact I would suggest that the cross meeting/interacting of such a diverse group....
......has led to the exact opposite.
I know it has for me and I know others have voiced the very same.
You are not being "attacked' by a mob or clique of typically like minded people....
What you are seeing is nothing more than a consensus of opinion from a very diverse group of individuals...
..... that happen to agree on this issue.
Jo
You should have specified that in your post about your "success" then, because in the context of this thread, it's debatable that that's ALL you were implying in an effort to try to make the point you've been trying to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
Mind your own business Dude. Kat is a grownup who apparently decided to participate in this thread and make the comments about me that she did of her own free will.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
If she's going to take such actions, she has to accept that there may be consequences...just as I knowingly do when I voice the opinions here that I do.
And anyway, Kat has helped me with parts in the past too, and I've helped her with electromechanical suggestions for some of the VX issues she's had, but none of that seemed to make any difference in this case, so apparently it doesn't count as warranting your "protection"...so take your idle threats elsewhere.
I agree, I has gotten old, but the fact of the matter is Scott that you could have done that a LONG time ago in this thread...and you didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Larson
Oh my, I came in on the tail-end of this one...
I'm gonna grab some popcorn and start reading this thread...
That's one way to look at it Jo...and a convenient one for you I might add...but not the ONLY way.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
It could be viewed that you're simply trying to cloud the issue of the particular clique in this case, which is comprised of a few people comprising your "consensus" who simply don't like having it pointed out how cliquish they've been or the self-centered attitudes they've exhibited. (It's not escaped notice after all that a few of said clique members have suggested I just go away).
You see, as I've said before, I could cite a consensus of members here who feel as I do about the attitudes I've commented on, but the clique I'm referring to has never accepted THAT as a reason to actually change their attitudes, and yet here you are implying that your consensus is somehow better than my consensus? As I said, convenient.
???Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
I got a decrease when I added the catch can.
I got even more decrease when I added the vent (which has the same effect as the crossover tube that originated this debacle).
It's not complete success so in the grand scheme of things we were both right. I'm not trying to be a sore winner ... or admit defeat. I'm not a 'know it all' (even though I joke around at always being right). I had an idea & I tried it out. It ain't perfect but it did help (pretty much the same success rate as my forefathers).
True. Please forgive me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
Not what this thread was about, and like I said, you didn't mention/imply the catch-can as being the reason for the "success" you were claiming at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
No it doesn't. The way you described your original crossover tube idea would not have introduced a vent to atmosphere.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
As I said, I'm glad to hear your oil consumption decreased, but surely you can understand that some may not appreciate being pissed on and asking to accept that it's simply raining.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
You're still claiming you were right about your original idea because you had success in decreasing your oil consumption but that decrease in consumption wasn't a result of your original idea...so sorry, but no...that's still not rain.
Consider it in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
Dude, you're either grasping at straws or you really don't understand the mechanics behind the PCV. AFAIK there isn't a positive pressure coming from the combusion chamber input where the PCV attaches so the breather will have the same effect as the crossover tube with or without the catch can. That said, I haven't measured it ... & I've proven myself to be fallible so please feel free to enlighten us less informed as to your logic.
Trekker, the ' convenience ' of looking at it "that way"....
....was all yours, when you offered the 'retarded clique' analogy in the first place.
My rebuttal was based on actual knowledge, first hand...
.....of meeting and getting to know many of these people.
That is something you cant claim....
So, which in reality is more 'convenient' ?
Your projected hypothesis ..... or reality?
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I hope these members will actually speak up....
..... and support you publicly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
If we are all wrong... are all out of line...
...then the (silent) consensus you cite needs to lets us know.
But, until that happens, the only 'consensus' that can be verified...
...is the one clearly seen in this thread.
jo
Trekker, you have GOT to be just completely mentally exhausted from all this hard work you're putting into this conversation.
Just for the record, I agree with Jo that we (as the VX community) come from all sorts of walks of life, experiences, beliefs...individually, we might be know-it-alls (who might not know much), last-word enforcers (who never back down from a debate), Christians, Atheists, hippies, businessmen, haters or lovers. Jo might drive an offroad whore, and I might drive a pavement princess. I'm sure there's someone here who has a trailer queen. You might have your ways of doing something, Tom has his....we've all learned what we know from failures, successes, advice, and just overall experiencing different angles of doing something. Just because you do something one way doesn't mean somebody else has to do it just like that....the end result should be all that matters. We (as VX owners/enthusiasts) share a bond/friendship/kinda like a family that should really mean something to us. These petty BS "debates" are ridiculous and frankly I'm tired of trying to keep up with my unread threads because there's one like this that's almost 20 pages long of arguing. SOMEBODY please accept that this has been beat to death and just stop with the "last-word" crap.
Just for the record, I met Jo here. Hated him the first time he said something to me. We're extremely different in our ways of life, our beliefs, the way we see the world around us. I never wanted to get on this forum just because of him. I never wanted to say anything because of that smart-a** sarcastic way he would respond....he was a jerk...and still is, in his own way. Somehow we became Facebook friends just so we could argue back and forth about politics and pick on each other more....and I love the guy to death. We're almost from 2 different planets, but I value my long distance friendship with him greatly (if you can call it that).
I think Trekker, you seriously need to chill out. You have gotten so involved in this...do you have anything else you're this passionate about??!! Let it be over with. Why are you so insistent about proving a point or making someone else feel like crap? Just walk away....whether or not you think you're right , just wash your hands of it and walk away. We're all in this VX thing together and I know I will always stand up for my VX family...even you. For YOUR sanity, just let it be.
Love ya tooo Melanie!!
And one of these days you are your new hubby ...
...need to saddle up BOTH of your VX's and come wheeling.
Or at the very least , given your self anointed pavement princess status ...
... come ride shotgun :thumbup:
Bottom line for me..
... talking to people away from here, actually meeting, getting to know others...
.... puts a whole different slant on the scribbles sometimes offered here.
I've said that to Trekker many times, and expressed a desire to meet him many times.
I hope I do.
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BTW... yer a jerk too :dan_ban:
:_beer:
jo
Ahh, yous guys make me wanna blush :o...This is one big happy disfunctional family and I luvz ya all, even you brother-Trekk.:heart: You are the juxtaposition to almost everything I stand for but I still somehow oddly admire your tenacity and candor, though I really don't know why :_confused...Back in post 226 when you said "I has gotten old", you couldn't have been more right if you tried! :yes:
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"I agree, I has gotten old, but the fact of the matter is Scott that you could have done that a LONG time ago in this thread...and you didn't."
Just in case, I thought I best immortalize this...it's priceless!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
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Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
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Originally Posted by tom4bren
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Originally Posted by Y33TREKker
I speak of my own free will, that's absolutely correct.
I just call 'em as I see 'em, and WHENEVER I feel 'em.
A prior positive interaction with someone here, does not, necessarily have a connection or control my comments in this thread.
If I happen to agree I may post that, if I don't agree I may post that as well.
They're not all cliques TREK, it's just that sometimes Group A agrees on the same "things", sometimes a few from Group B may agree with Group A, Some from Group C may agree with something said in Group A and B....etc, etc..... There's almost an infinite number of configurations of "groups".
The fact that there appears to be a pretty good number of folks that don't share your opinions in this thread, is just another random collection of members that I'll call a "group", that happen to share the same opinion on this particular topic or comments....that does not make them a clique.
And IMHO, Jo and VXObsession could not have summarized it any better!
I happen to be one of those folks Jo has had a few long discussions - face to face - into the wee hours of the morning discussing some very deep differences of opinions on a few topics. ;) Yet because we're both mature adults and respect each other, we very amicably "agreed to disagree" AND MOVED ON! We continue to have a very good friendship both on the forum and by phone and email. In fact, we even still get a few laughs in ABOUT OUR DISAGREEMENTS!
That's what many people here are trying to get across to you TREK. Just politely agree to disagree and MOVE ON!
I sold you some stuff because any differences of opinion we may have had or have didn't matter, we rose above it and acted like mature adults.
There's no mob or mafia or clique here thats collaborating and joining forces to "get you" in some manner. That's paranoia. As many have mentioned, most of us come here and participate for the sole love of the VX. Any further similarities or commonalities of beliefs are pure coincidence whenever a large group of people get together.
When most of us "agree to disagree" on something here and move on, and continue on with our enjoyment of this site, it makes someone who nitpicks, and continues on and on disagreeing about something or some points, it makes that person appear to ENJOY the disharmony and friction it causes.
Ever heard the phrase: I learned long ago, never wrestle with a pig. You just get all dirty, and the pig ENJOYS it.
IMHO, you're kinda lookin' like that.
The mechanics of a PCV system is not even what we're talking about now though Tom. What we WERE talking about is you trying to suggest that adding a vent filter to your oil cap is the exact same as the crossover tube idea you started this thread about.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom4bren
Maybe you're just trying to save face now, but continuing to try to make what I've been saying appear illogical by grasping at your own straws to change the subject isn't the way to do it.
You may have met those people in person, but that still doesn't change the REALITY of how they've behaved on this site in threads such as this one at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
You SERIOUSLY still don't understand why those people would simply choose not to voice their opinions publicly after seeing some of the "verified" responses I've received in threads such as these???Quote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
I hope those people DON'T speak up and back me publicly because having that attitude directed at a person isn't something I would want for ANYONE else.
And besides, I'm very capable of defending myself with whatever ALL of you guys and girls can throw at me...as has already been "verified" in these threads.
Well I appreciate the input, but I would simply ask the same regarding why some here are still so insistent in making others feel like crap. That's what got all this started after all. Name calling and generalized insults to raise money for this site.Quote:
Originally Posted by VXobsession
But have they walked away from that attitude? No, it's occasionally brought back up with those same sarcastic and smartass comments that you yourself have just stated don't set well with you either.
Since you brought up the question of sanity though, isn't it interesting that some of the people I've been referring to are always questioning mine simply because they happen to be in the majority in this discussion?
When it's also said that in an insane world, only the "insane" are sane, that doesn't say much for the majority does it?