Yeah I'm crazy...need snow tires

[crotchrocket]

I find the VX has a very archaic ABS system and it doesn't stop at all well in low traction conditions. I remember the first weekend i had the VX it snowed alot and i litterally skidded across a pedestrian crossing at about 3 mph !!! thankfully the pedestrian didnt walk out!

[circmand]

It is more about the driver than the tire. Snow ghets packed when driven on and it creates heat. This melts the snow which then refreezes and trns to ice. No matter what tires you have you will slide on ice.

[tom4bren]

My suggestion would be:

1. add 3" lift

2. 33x12.50 AT tires (severe weather rated) on rims with 'offset from hell'

Even MTs would be OK but really only for deep snow.

[Gussie2000]

Tires technology improved dramatically the last 15/20 years & becomed more reliable with better designs & safety.
And because of those facts drivers feels more confident in challenging nature where it concerns speed/traction & grip over different weather conditions but sometimes we forgets that as every human-made product it has its limitations which we continuosly refrain to respect that border.
Common sense is the best tool against icy roads because snow always have the upper hand in the game no matter how well your tires can perform out there.

[JGeorge264]

I've had Nokian Vaativa's on mine for the past two years, 40,000 miles and look brank new. We had a rare 18 inches of snow in the Vancouver/Portland area last winter and the tires were awesome! I had absolutely no issues with snow or ice, could go anywhere I wanted to. I'll definately stick with them.

[JAMAS]

My suggestion would be:

1. add 3" lift

2. 33x12.50 AT tires (severe weather rated) on rims with 'offset from hell'

Even MTs would be OK but really only for deep snow.

Not trying to be a smart ***, but how would a 3" lift help in the snow/ice?

[Ldub]

Not trying to be a smart ***, but how would a 3" lift help in the snow/ice?

You can go through deeper snow......

[tom4bren]

Not trying to be a smart ***, but how would a 3" lift help in the snow/ice?

Squeeze in 33x12.50's without a lift & you can drive in str8 lines real good ... not much else.

I was just trying to get him to think 'big picture'.

[snowtrooper1966]

It is more about the driver than the tire. Snow ghets packed when driven on and it creates heat. This melts the snow which then refreezes and trns to ice. No matter what tires you have you will slide on ice.

^
I'll second that comment!
It really is more about the experience of the driver in bad snow / ice conditions than the tires, IMHO.
Driving home 200 miles in a blizzard when I first got the Dragon, there were no traction problems, even at freeway speeds in feet of powder.
I did, however, manage to spin it a few times when pushing it hard on snowy / icy roads when pushing the limits of good sense and testing the VX's capabilities.
From my experience, the short wheelbase really is not our friend in these conditions.
In general, no sharp turns and no hard braking.
Of the two, my Dragon was more forgiving with hard braking as opposed to sharp turns in the worst case scenarios.
That being said, I really like the Nitto Terra's I have, but you should be fine with just about any quality M/T tire out there. Just remember you can get any vehicle squirrley if you are not paying attention and in too much of a hurry on the bad days.....
Best,

[nfpgasmask]

The only time I have slid in my VX is when trying to stop going down hill. Twice I complete slid into the intersection. I don't know if my driving skills had anything to do with it. It was like the instant I touched the brake pedal, I was floating. Even when going only 25mph or so, on the downgrade, there ain't nuthin' to stop you.

Now, flat land snow driving is different. I definitely think traction and driving skills are important.

In general, I think a wider stance with a higher center of gravity is going to help reduce sliding, especially with meaty tires. I can't wait to see how the Trooper does this winter.

Bart

[tom4bren]

"In general, I think a wider stance with a higher center of gravity is going to help reduce sliding, especially with meaty tires."

FINALLY ... the 'offset from hell' is justified

[nfpgasmask]

"In general, I think a wider stance with a higher center of gravity is going to help reduce sliding, especially with meaty tires."

FINALLY ... the 'offset from hell' is justified

When I said wider, I meant a little wider, lol. But yea, I can't imagine you sliding or tipping much.

Bart

[tom4bren]

Since my track is different than everyone else's, driving in the snow is INTERESTING trying to stay in one track or the other.

But yer right, I don't tip.

[snowtrooper1966]

FINALLY ... the 'offset from hell' is justified

If for no other reason than to give us a Nelson Munz "Ha Ha" moment!

[Ldub]

If for no other reason than to give us a Nelson Munz "Ha Ha" moment!