Supercharger!!!!!!Originally Posted by Marlin
I don't know what to do nextI am running out of projects. Any ideas?
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Supercharger!!!!!!I don't know what to do next
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I saw Ldubs at Moab, looks sweet, but I was not impressed by the power difference. I talked to some of the gear heads at work, our engine just isn't made to handle too much boost, so I imagine a SC might get you an extra littl bit of uuumph, but for crawlin and playin in mud, I don't think it matters. For those with SC, no offense, but it just doesn't seem worth it at all.
Update**I messed around with the sheet metal a bit, after laying 3 pallets of sod, and building a skid plate for a VX member!!! Anyway, I learned a valuable lesson, I hate working with sheet metal. It is very artsy, and I am not artsy at all. Here is what I have so far. I think its gonna look sweet, there is gonna be a gap under the headlights, but eh....for a no experience metal worker, I consider this top notch. Still need to get square tubing and a bender, but I can wait on that. I drew in the driving lights, and I sticky taped my turn signal on one side to see how it looks. As far as I am concerned.............BAD ***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The sheet metal is 22gauge, and I will weld in some 1/4" plate brackets to help keep its shape. I will put sheet metal over the top of the hitch as well to bridge the gap. It is pretty sturdy though. I would say by next weekend or so I will be done with that, minus the tubing.
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interesting...
you gonna fill in all that open space??
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That is looking sweet! Give us a shot from the side when you get a chance.
Peace.
Tom
"Through Great Sacrifice..... Great Rewards Will Be Achieved"
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Thanks for the confidence Tom.
Jack, I do not know what I am doing with that space, here is what I envision, of course it will be all welded together and square, and painted flat black when I am done.
I wish I could get it to look like this, but the VX frame is a lot lower than the rodeo. This setup is similar to mine, only I used a square tube frame vice 3/16 plating. His weighs a ton, and is not as strong structurally. But it looks nice.
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As I'm Running 33's, with stock gearing, you would expect to see what kind of power difference?...
Last edited by Ldub : 08/03/2009 at 03:32 AM
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Not to get away from the bumper but since you stopped a little on the power issue I will post another piece I was told.
If your keeping it naturally aspirated we have seen substantial gains from the basic mods of a free flowing exhaust system. We recommened a 2.5 inch mandrel bent system with Pacemaker brand headers/extractors. If your race class allows it I would not use any mufflers at all or if you have to then obviously use 2.5 inch straight through items.
On the intake side of things over here in Australia the factory airbox was very very restrictive to keep noise down for emissions. Remove the whole box if possible on your model and use a K and N pod filter.
Lastly, we would suggest the use of an aftermarket ecu such as our own WOLF V500. With the above bolt on mods and then some ecu remapping you will be very surprised at how the car transforms. In our experience the 6VD1/6VE1 engines were heavily restricted from factory so theres a lot of power to be had just by releasing the restrictions imposed by Isuzu.
Other things engineered by isuzu such as the ignition system seem to be very well done. We have seen well over 500kw at the wheels using the factory ignition with no type of amplification. The stock crank also showed no signs of cracking or any twisting at this power level also, but it was obviously balanced and prepped beforehand.
On the forced induction side of things then it first comes down to whether you want to supercharge or turbocharge. We have done both and had great power results but from our experience turbo charging is more beneficial. From a reliability, engineering and power potential point of view.
After that its just of matter of how much power you want to make. Theres still head work, pistons, rods etc for those people just wanting to make big numbers.
For your type of application a mildly powered responsive package is what you need. If forced induction is allowed in your race class then the most suited system would be a small turbocharged setup. This would give lightning response combined with decent top end power and no sign of lag. A small turbocharged 6VE1 drives like its a naturally aspirated 5 litre.
For the wolf V500 ecu, there are dealers already in USA who are familiar with the product.
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No offense taken. Us S/C'd urban mall crawlers don't have all the offroad gear and are turning smaller meat, so the S/C is quite noticeable.
I am confused about something though. It is almost as though you see the S/C as being "too weak" for offroad activities, yet you are adding extra weight (ala this monster bumper) on top of your stock 3.5L? I would assume that, even offroad, the S/C would pitch in to help push/pull that weight, on top of what the stock 3.6L is already doing. *shrug*
Gary Noonan
'01 S/C VX / '18 Forester XT
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My reference point is Ldubs SC VX. We played in the sand at Moab, I would expect the SC VX to throw up some sand, and I am on just under 33s stock gearing as well. I kept up with him just fine with my NA Injen intake with K&N cone filter. I don't know what a S/C costs for the VX, but I would guess >$1K. Just doesn't seem worth it to me, but that is my opinion, I would much rather have lockers if I was gonna spend that much money. But once again, to each their own, hence my barbaric looking bumperHopefully some new pics should be up this weekend, if I can get a hydraulic press with my cladding money, I can bend some tubing, and play with that project.
More to come...
Thanks for all the info, keep it coming.
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chris..another thing...
make sure you give some bracing backwards off of your 'stinger' to make sure if it gets some pressure from rocks or the rear end of a yukonthat it doesnt bend in and ruin the front end of your VX...
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Uhhhh, yeah, whatever you say there chief...My reference point is Ldubs SC VX. We played in the sand at Moab, I would expect the SC VX to throw up some sand, and I am on just under 33s stock gearing as well. I kept up with him just fine with my NA Injen intake with K&N cone filter. I don't know what a S/C costs for the VX, but I would guess >$1K. Just doesn't seem worth it to me, but that is my opinion, I would much rather have lockers if I was gonna spend that much money. But once again, to each their own, hence my barbaric looking bumper
If I'd have known you were tryin' to keep up, I woulda put my foot in it...
But then you would'v been buried, & I woulda had to dig you out...
You definitely have the whole "function before form" thing goin' on there...nice.
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Izzat the 'embarassing exhaust' everyone was talkin bout recently?
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Put a smiley after you say that Bub.
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Fair enough. I would go with gears and lockers for your application. Boost ain't gonna be of much use crawling anyways. It's damn nice when you wanna make that fast lane pass at 65+mph though.My reference point is Ldubs SC VX. We played in the sand at Moab, I would expect the SC VX to throw up some sand, and I am on just under 33s stock gearing as well. I kept up with him just fine with my NA Injen intake with K&N cone filter. I don't know what a S/C costs for the VX, but I would guess >$1K. Just doesn't seem worth it to me, but that is my opinion, I would much rather have lockers if I was gonna spend that much money. But once again, to each their own, hence my barbaric looking bumper
More to come...
Thanks for all the info, keep it coming.
Some advice though.... next time you wanna play with Dub, show him that it's the pedal on the RIGHT.
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Ha ha ha ha ha. At his age, he is lucky he is even allowed to drive...Fair enough. I would go with gears and lockers for your application. Boost ain't gonna be of much use crawling anyways. It's damn nice when you wanna make that fast lane pass at 65+mph though.
Some advice though.... next time you wanna play with Dub, show him that it's the pedal on the RIGHT.
Anyway, you being stuck on that ledge and throwing up sand does not count. Kodiak threw some sand there as well, and he is on street tires!!!
I was talking more about when we played in the dunes, and your (Ldub) VX was severely bogged down, and I thought you were going to have to back up or get snatched, and we all played in the same sand.
As for function before form, I take that as a compliment, a "birds of a feather thing" or "the pot calling the kettle black".
As for the power at 65mph, my VX rarely goes on the freeway, and if it does, it doesn't go fast...I do believe lockers may be my next project after the whole bumper thing is done. Probably just front locker, I am happy with the LSD rear end. We shall see. One thing at a time boys, one thing at a time.
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Have you noticed how aggressive Ldub's tires are and that your's are fairly smooth? Have you realized different tires perform differently in different terrains? In other words, would you think the S/C was the greatest thing since breastmilk if you saw Ldub blow thru a mud hole you got stuck in?
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