Not cool

[nfpgasmask]

On top of all that, the so-called "eco-friendly" cars are more detrimental to the environment during their creation than that of a Hummer! http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/...s_more_ec.html

Ahhh yes, there it is again...that damn BIG PICTURE most people like to ignore. Thank you for bringing this up, Justin. Because now, I can once again sit back in my uncomfortable office chair and chuckle to myself, knowing that we are doomed and there is no solution. Why do people think that JUST BECAUSE a car uses some form of propulsion other than gasoline that it is environmentally friendly? Sure, it's different, but it came from somewhere, and surely it has some sort of consequences as well. It's just like recycling. There is a lot of energy spent and pollution created by the recycling industry. But hey, we are saving the planet!!!

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Bart

[Ascinder]

Here's a point to look at then. If the government wanted to give you $4500 to just switch over to an "eco-mobile", then why don't they? Why do they have to destroy something to make it work? If the "old car" remained out in the world, what would happen? A)Someone else would buy it. B)It would go sit in a junkyard or someones backyard. C)The person would keep it and a son or daughter gets it one day. The thing that bothers me is that the government claims they want to get these cars off the roads, but at what price. It deletes an option for people with lower incomes to be able to afford to drive. You go ahead and tell me when the last time you saw an environmentally friendly vehicle comparable to any of these vehicles that would potentially be destroyed that can be had for the same price or less on the used market. Absolutely never. They don't make cheap hybrids or electric vehicles that work like the vehicles we currently own for a reasonable price. If they did, I'd do like we all should and gut their Eco powerplants and throw it in the VX!

[Y33TREKker]

Well, all that money that you've saved isn't going to do you any good either if there's nowhere it can be spent. If a person really wants to look at the big picture, the almighty dollar/euro/Yen/etc. just has to be left out of the picture.

Blasphemous concept to even think about in this day and age I realize, but isn't the fact that money always seems to be everyone's primary concern one of the main reasons we've ended up here in the first place?

[Marlin]

Ahhh yes, there it is again...that damn BIG PICTURE most people like to ignore. Thank you for bringing this up, Justin. Because now, I can once again sit back in my uncomfortable office chair and chuckle to myself, knowing that we are doomed and there is no solution. Why do people think that JUST BECAUSE a car uses some form of propulsion other than gasoline that it is environmentally friendly? Sure, it's different, but it came from somewhere, and surely it has some sort of consequences as well. It's just like recycling. There is a lot of energy spent and pollution created by the recycling industry. But hey, we are saving the planet!!!

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Bart

Thanks Bart, I happen to work in the Nuclear Power industry, I am actually an instructor right now in Charleston at the Naval Nuclear Power School. The average greenie is an idiot and doesn't understand that a plug in car is far worse than a combustion driven vehicle. Conservation of energy is a bitch. Power has to come from somewhere no matter what. Coal power plants belch more gasses and produce more toxic sludge than 10 times the number of equivalent nuclear plants. Maybe once all the new nuke plants come online, a plug-in may be effective for "round the town" driving, but until our country shrinks in size, big vehicles with the ability to haul the family and the boat will still be a necessity.
The cost of a hybrid is also prohibitive, pretty sure the average mechanic isn't certified to work on your hybrid, only some guy who went to some special school for 6 months, so no more mom and pop shops.
Find me a hydrogen powered vehicle and then sign me up

[pbkid]

why doesnt someone develop something that runs on salt water....we have plenty of that....

[Ldub]

Find me a hydrogen powered vehicle and then sign me up

Oh say WHAT?...whatever happened to all the hydrogen producing "piggyback" systems that some folks around here were experimenting with?
You know, the ones where you "just add water", & increase your mileage by X amount...
I seem to remember someone saying that they were going to post the results, wether + or -, but don't recall ever seeing anything more.
And no, I'm not pickin' on you nfntruth, your comment just kicked the cobwebs off of a few hydrogenated memory cells...

[pbkid]

what about the lexus 'h' series???

[Jolly Roger VX'er]

Here, if Uncle Sam wants to offset my cost by handing me $109k....I'll come up with the $40k+ and drive this to & from work!

http://www.greencar.com/news/hydroge...obra-available

[TheGanzman]

One step closer to Socialism, Komrades! We've already got uniforms in the classrooms, video cameras recording almost EVERY THING, EVERY WHERE we go in public; freedom of speech is a memory for us old geezers, and just a Wiki entry for anyone born after 1990. Don't EVEN get me started on "The Homeland Security Act"...

Rent the movie "1984" - either the 1956 version or the '80's version (British). If you're so inclined, read the book; it's a short read, written by George Orwell.

O.K. - rant off. I look forward to driving my white or silver "Econobox" in a few years, built robotically by "The Car Company". Is that a giant seed pod I see growing under my bed? ("Invasion of the Body Snatchers")