oh i know, and i wouldnt go anywhere too crazy with only one vehicle, and it's always nice to ahve a spotter too. My mom and I moved out here two years ago and im still tryin to find people to hang out with. IF you guys ever want to plan a trip around arizona let me know. I know some good places at lake pleasant, and im tryin to do my homework for other areas. Has anyone traveled the trails above Jerome? I also remember reading about being able to wade deep with these cars in one of the magazines years ago, does anyone know our stock wading depth?