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    Wohoo! Im glad to hear someone is going to race a VX finally! I have had a lot of "fun" in mine, never competitively. She is babied now, not driven much, and used for light trailer duty (some fun and snow mixed in there too).

    If I competed, this is what I would do.

    1. *** Check you target category before doing anything.***

    2. Read the story about the Geolandar VX that attempted the Paris-Dakar Rally. If I remember correctly, he ran strong in the T-1 class, he DNF'd because of his front diff exploding, and had very little sponsor support. I think he tried to make a go of 2WD, but it was useless. He even knew the day before he was having front diff problems, the sponsor denied his front diff swap request, and then a rough stage came the next day. Also, dont doubt its toughness. Troopers won their class in the Dakar in 1992, and Many Australian gigs. You are driving those parts plus TOD and 3.5 liter essentially. Somewhere online is a breakdown of all Isuzus wins. Ill try to find this stuff.

    3. Maybe- maybe consider the disconnect for reasons stated above only 2WD sand rails are any good at 2WD, but would HIGHLY RECOMMEND you install the high lock feature. In situations like sand the TOD may engage and disengage so much- YOU WILL DNF. I almost guarantee it will happen. DO NOT let it bang in and out of TOD engagement. Disconnect wont help as much because driving the way you'll be driving, you would be better letting the truck do the front rear bias which has a good program for this (also adjusting tire pressure to optimize) while you concentrate on pointing the nose where you want it- TOD is proven to be adequate in "spirited" driving. The other option is if you have the time, the auto AND manually selectable F/R bias similar to the Subaru STI setup. I would also recommend using the "power" button.

    4. Make sure you install axle limiting straps. Dont want a coil spring coming loose 5 feet in the air. Plus, you can adjust your travel to compensate for terrain. Do this even if its just to keep the axle from over-extending and topping out your shocks which may cause premature failure. May someone could sponsor and provide the awesome stock KYB's? Maybe more travel would be better, though.

    5. Maybe some ball joint flip people can chime in, but I think this is another must-do activity for you. Also consider the "front diff lowering" kit to optimize your cv joints with lift, and allow more travel. You'll need it.

    6. Ever considered a snorkel intake? Check class rules. Also- ever considered a roof vent? Check rules.

    7. I would also recommend smaller wheels. Less rotational, unsprung, and vehicle weight. Youll need as much flotation as possible for sand, rocks, jumps, etc. I almost guarantee a tacoed wheel with 18's depending on your size's aspect ratio. Also check to see if Tire pressure monitoring Systems are allowed. Dont want to roll over halfway through or have tire failure. Deserts suck to be stranded in! I would also recommend "stout" All Terrains, or even "mild" Mud terrains. What are those directional, soft rubber Yokohama called? Ive always wanted to try them, but being a soft compound, they dont last for a "street vehicle". More research needed.

    8. Tranny cooler, tranny cooler, tranny cooler. I would also recommend hacking the truck to fit the larger radiator like you said, and maybe a dual tranny/Oil cooler. If you can find an easy way to cooler the diffs. I WOULD DO THAT TOO if it can be done without risking torn hoses or something. The 4L30 isnt the best. I would try to find a way to get the Trooper 5 speed under the bonnet before the race if possible. Hasnt been done yet to my knowledge. Does this affect class?

    9. The rear LSD is a stout unit, are additional diffs allowed in the class? Hmmm... front LSD is possible as well. May have to use tire pressure adjustments to keep from "plowing". The increased acceleration and lack of wheelspeed differences slamming together may allow the diff to last? This may overcome the decrease in cornering under throttle. post-turn acceleration via traction vs. mid-turn throttle. Theorizing needed here.

    10. There should be a way to mount a "screen" over the air intake area abhove the hood, or a hack into the vents to filter particulates for passengers. Ever thought of a filtered small fan and hoses to helmets for driver/co-driver? Works great in M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicles! Ditch the whole stock HVAC system as well?

    11. Also, use the Geolandar VX, Tonbo house, etc. VX's for references as to mods others have done. Isnt there a pic of a modded VX in Japan with shock towers through to the hood (maybe through cargo area?), and jumping serious air in some sand? We'll have to find that as well. It also had a MAJOR tranny cooler as well.

    12. I would go over every aspect of vehicle maintenance. How many miles on her? Fan, timing belt, hoses, fuel pump, fuel filter, spark plugs, oil, tranny fluid, diff fluids, engine coolant, flush brake lines, power steering fluid, etc. etc. etc.

    I know alot of this is common sense, but I hope me ratting off thoughts on a post might have brought up something helpful.

    Good luck, we all know you will need as much as possible like all Baja entries!!!

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    Alot of thats on the to do list as for mods im waiting for a reply to my Email as whats alowed for each class, it may change year to year also. I like the coolers idea and it can increase the volume, im even thinging of doing it for the engine oil. The trannycooler are an easy addition. Internal adjustable suspension is a biggie if they allow it in class. Tires have already been decided since I have an extra 4 nittos, gonna get more also, looking into 15 inch rims so that may all change. A front to back belly pan is also in the works. How far into the dakar did those guys get???? thanks

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    I cant remember, and I am still trying to find the story as I have time today. Will keep looking unless someone posts it.

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    Lol. A little OT, but a good read. http://www.dakarrally.co.uk/previous_entries.htm

    Never saw this before http://www.siteset.co.uk/dakar/extra2.html
    Last edited by MrCrowley : 10/15/2007 at 08:50 AM

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    A couple other beefy pieces you may wish to consider...

    HD tie rod ends & lower links from www.independent4x.com
    Also, a set of their stainless braid brake lines.

    Another thought on HVAC filtration, some foam fastened under the existing intake might help filter out the bigger chunks.

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    LDUB beat me to it. I thought about that driving on my lunchbreak as well. Wouldnt want the left tire going left, the right tire trying to go right, and the driver ****ting himself trying to go straight!!! Still looking for the Dakar VX attempt.

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    Lightbulb

    Keep a eye out for an email featuring "BAJA" in the topic...I sent you some pics of different suspension set ups that might be of help.

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    A good friend, Ron, runs every few years...his goal is just to not DNF. In your post that got lost, I wrote a pretty comprehensive list of basic stuff we did to the Cherokee he ran last time. He burnt up around 25000 (alot on suspension and shop time) before he left the shop. OK....it went like this... every thing in the interior, out...dash, door panels, carpet...everything. Sound deading material--out. door glass,motors, regulators---out. Hood insert and fire blanket---gone(you'll only break it anyway) At this point, go ahead and lift the body off. All wear items (bushings, bearings, link ends, ball joints, U joints etc. etc.) are replaced...The Jeep has us there...they have endless upgrades at their disposal. All armor and bracing is done now. Suspension upgrades are done now. (He went with a Bilstein design arrangement, pricey) Do your cage right...you won't need to brace to frame much. I personally would not take this TOD/tranny combo on any kind of race...I'm wary of it on the street...it is not durable, and not designed with this in mind. A 4x Rodeo or Amigo will get the layout you need (if you must stay Isuzu) Body on...Build your cage(do it right, tie it to the rails, your car will be billet stiff) fire supression in...gauge cluster, wheel, seat shells etc. in Figure how you are gonna tie down everything you are gonna carry (spares etc) and double the fasteners. He goes with steel wheels, figures a B.F.H. will straighten them in a pinch ( rocks are the enemy, not sand) Never worried about cabin filtration(never thought about it) but your engine is another matter...it hates dirt. I don't think you wanna breathe thru a wheel well in a desert race. Place your tranny cooler carefully...keeping crap outta the radiator is a real issue as well. I don't know if you should start without the front cladding, or just wait for it to rip away...is it better to start looking good, and finish looking battered, or start raggedy and finish the same....either way, that plastic nose ain't crossing the finish line with you (not if you drive with any Brio) We've scratched the surface here...leave a couple of months to rag it out HARD...break anything that will break....rebuild it...break it again...rebuild it. You are now ready to D.N.F.!!!! Go back and do it all stronger,lighter, better. Any way we can be of assistance (short of sponsership) let me know...(I cannot show pictures of his stuff, so don't ask) Good luck Bra...I'd love to see a VX show up.

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    I wounder if the classes are HP seperated and not suspension.

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    Wink

    Quote Originally Posted by Chopper View Post
    every thing in the interior, out...dash, door panels, carpet...everything. Sound deading material--out. door glass,motors, regulators out... Never worried about cabin filtration(never thought about it)
    Dude...

    How is he gonna run the AC during the day with no freakin side windows.
    re-read post #1 if you think I'm kidding.
    Sorry man,but running Baja in a nearly stock VX, with the windows up & the AC cranked just cracks me up...
    Last edited by Ldub : 10/15/2007 at 08:23 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ldub View Post
    Dude...

    How is he gonna run the AC during the day with no freakin side windows.
    re-read post #1 if you think I'm kidding.
    Sorry man,but running Baja in a nearly stock VX, with the windows up & the AC cranked just cracks me up...
    Well, it wouldnt crack you up if you were crippled. Bet you wouldnt have the nuts I have or could even walk a day in my shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonRaker View Post
    Well, it wouldnt crack you up if you were crippled. Bet you wouldnt have the nuts I have or could even walk a day in my shoes.
    No offence meant MR...I admire your pluck, but like Chopper said, Baja is a BEAST, not to be taken lightly.

    I got a bit of a chuckle out of myself, doing some of the trails in Moab with the AC on (in the same over 50 club) finally opting for a headband & lots of water as the temp ga. went past 214...

    I'm not trying to dissuade your efforts, but you should understand...Baja is a BEAST !
    Last edited by Ldub : 10/16/2007 at 03:38 PM

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    Your biggest obstacle may be in the smallest numbers anyway. Below, I highlighted in red something you may want to check into before you go any further. This is from 9 years ago:
    Class 3
    "Vehicles built from a 4-Wheel drive utility type vehicle. Vehicle must have been series produced in quantities of at least 5,000 units within a 12 month period and be readily available to the general public in the U.S.A. Must be a 4-Wheel drive vehicle capable of being driven through all four wheels."
    Class 3 is the domain of short wheelbase vehicles like the Early Bronco, Bronco II, Jeep, Kia Sportage, and Chevy Blazer. Known for a brutally rough ride, Class 3 none the less remains popular in desert racing at large, but has recently seen a decline in entrants in the SCORE series.
    Often built on a low budget, Class 3 makes an ideal entry point for new racers. The broad, open rules of the class have resulted in some impressive suspension configurations, and suprising performance.

    Here is the link: http://www.off-road.com/race/981k/html/program1.html
    Sent from my "two hands on a keyboard"

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    Nice, from the looks of it you can do what you want to the suspension, not sure about motor but id guess anything for reliabilty like a bigger raidiator and so on is ok. Looks like that or the stock mini class. Hmm, wich to shoot for, I have some ideas for suspension.

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    if they alowe motor mods we have about 20 lysome blowers instock, just kidding.

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