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Osteo We will give you credit for one thing....one of the longest running most viewed threads on the forum "What are you doing to your VX this week" he he he he. :o)

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Originally Posted by tom4bren

Y'all are missing the big picture.

It's not just the Big G

It's the American way.

Why does Fredericksburg, VA need 4 Super Walmarts and 3 Super Targets? We just ain't that big folks. But they'll keep building them until not only does the market go down the toilet (it already has) but the entire sewage system explodes and everyone is wearing fecal matter makeup.

Sure, the DOD is huge but it's not just a money pit. It also creates jobs. Anyone care to guess how cutting the Defense budget in half is going to effect unemployment???

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The reason you need all them walmarts is cause the government has taken all your money!!!!!!!!
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"Striving for success without hard work is like trying to harvest where you haven't planted"

thats why 70 welfare organizations spending hundreds of millions a year has never solved poverty. You appreciate what you work for and not what is given to you. That is why some families own the houses their ancestors bought 200 years ago and subsidized housing needs torn down and rebuilt every 40 years.

This is the most offensive thing said on this entire thread. Please stop this offense against frog-based science! http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp

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Originally Posted by Ebenezr

The US has been like a frog in hot water when it reaches a boil it is too late. It can't jump out.

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Not particularly, because it became somewhat clear during this and other discussions that this was pretty much Marlins view. Inhereant white cultural superiorty, tolerance of others so long as the don't get uppity, and dismissing criticism of any of that as merely touchy-feely overly sensitive PCness. Par for the course.

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Originally Posted by vt_maverick

Was that the sound of Osteo's head exploding I just heard? Lol...

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Originally Posted by Osteomata

This is the most offensive thing said on this entire thread. Please stop this offense against frog-based science! http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp

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Huh, not that snopes is the cure all end all, but it would be interesting to see Myth Busters tackle it. But, MB is filmed in Cali, so they would have 1000 protestors out front as soon as they mentioned it. Whats a few frogs for the name of science?!

Ok well how about a lobster boiled in water then!???

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Originally Posted by Osteomata

Not particularly, because it became somewhat clear during this and other discussions that this was pretty much Marlins view. Inhereant white cultural superiorty, tolerance of others so long as the don't get uppity, and dismissing criticism of any of that as merely touchy-feely overly sensitive PCness. Par for the course.

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did you mean to finish with a golf term? Either way THATS funny...

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Originally Posted by Osteomata

Not particularly, because it became somewhat clear during this and other discussions that this was pretty much Marlins view. Inhereant white cultural superiorty, tolerance of others so long as the don't get uppity, and dismissing criticism of any of that as merely touchy-feely overly sensitive PCness. Par for the course.

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No, not white cultural superiority, but rather, the culture that did best superiority, just so happens it was white. What other culture has done as well? Hispanic, certainly not or else we wouldn't be having this discussion. African, nope, even with one of the richest continents in the world, as far as natural resources, it just isn't happening for them, nor is it going to. Arabic, they would be notta without their oil reserves. Asian, perhaps, but we got them on the resources tab, so that would be our primary competitor in the big picture. Their sense of honor and pride is much higher than ours on the whole. Strangely enough, their immigrants aren't flooding the prisons or draining the social safety net programs...huh, who woulda thought?
What other culture has the ability and the empathy to play world police, feed the children, save the world. Even when I disagree with it, we are still the only culture to do it time and time again, regardless of our own problems. Our military spends more time building and supporting than we do killing and oppressing. No other culture in the world can say that.
So once again, other than "its not fair, thats close minded", provide me with some tangible data to show otherwise. Show me what good it does for the nation to embrace this onslaught of cultural integration. Perhaps it will get us to Mars, who knows, maybe they can drive a taco truck....lol. Sorry, I thought of that last one, and it made me laugh. "Hola Martianos, taco, burrito, churro, chiclet?"

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/da...iled_frogs.jpg

The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.:upsetgray:mady::madb2::madgray::upsetwgra

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Originally Posted by circmand

"Striving for success without hard work is like trying to harvest where you haven't planted"

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this coming from someone posting while at work...

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Originally Posted by VXR

this coming from someone posting while at work...

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HAHAHAHAHA! Maybe he is a union worker and he is required to do as little work as possible so they can keep production expectations low.:) BAD ME, I just can't help myself.....:smack:

I would say you have a very short historical view. Lots and lots of non-white cultures have achieved empire, long lasting stability, and vastly superior technology, and even some white ones would not exactly have been considered totally white just a few decades ago. In the historical scheme of things US dominance is a short thing, even western european dominance. Just ask the British, Spanish, and Prussian empires about the long march. When one looks to the future, an awful lot of futurists see an Indian, Chinese, and Brazilian rise to superpower status. You might note those are not "white" by the standards you are using. Other than this, you earlier rant about assimilation is deeply flawed. Study after study shows that Hispanics assimilate at the same rate as other historical minorities. Talk to a second generation Latino and his Spanish is already degraded. Third gen and they prefer English and many completely struggle to speak Spanish at all.

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Originally Posted by Marlin

No, not white cultural superiority, but rather, the culture that did best superiority, just so happens it was white. What other culture has done as well? Hispanic, certainly not or else we wouldn't be having this discussion. African, nope, even with one of the richest continents in the world, as far as natural resources, it just isn't happening for them, nor is it going to. Arabic, they would be notta without their oil reserves. Asian, perhaps, but we got them on the resources tab, so that would be our primary competitor in the big picture. Their sense of honor and pride is much higher than ours on the whole. Strangely enough, their immigrants aren't flooding the prisons or draining the social safety net programs...huh, who woulda thought?
What other culture has the ability and the empathy to play world police, feed the children, save the world. Even when I disagree with it, we are still the only culture to do it time and time again, regardless of our own problems. Our military spends more time building and supporting than we do killing and oppressing. No other culture in the world can say that.
So once again, other than "its not fair, thats close minded", provide me with some tangible data to show otherwise. Show me what good it does for the nation to embrace this onslaught of cultural integration. Perhaps it will get us to Mars, who knows, maybe they can drive a taco truck....lol. Sorry, I thought of that last one, and it made me laugh. "Hola Martianos, taco, burrito, churro, chiclet?"

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Originally Posted by Marlin

...since when did dear ol' dads insurance co$t preclude my constituional right to " life, liberty & the persuit of happiness?...or my "supposed" presumption of innocence until proven guilty?
Piss'n me on the presumption of possible guilt is....
VERY heavy handed for someone that calls him or herself an american. JMO.
What I do with my time away from work is MY business, as long as it has no effect on my attendance, or ability to perform the tasks that have been assigned to me, there should be no right to search my piss for "possible" guilt. What right are YOU willing to give up for the betterment of dads business?

If I'm caught doing something illegal by the LAW, then I deserve to be punished & scrutinized, but to be searched under the presumption of guilt?...seriously?


"So if I see someone doing a crime, I should do nothing about it unless the law catches them??"


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YEAH...THAT'S EXACTLY what was meant when I went all indignant over ILLEGAL searches of my piss under the presumption (without ANY evidence) of guilt...:rolleyesg

How could you possibly comprehend my statement to mean "stand by & do nothing?...seriously...:confused:

It's not daddys job, NOR the job of the company he works for, to police my piss under the PRESUMPTION OF GUILT, & without probable cause.

I can see it in my mind...

"dod: think we should test this one for drugs?"

"other subordinate employ: Well YEAH...he filled out an ap right?...there's your probable cause...:yesgray:
You'd HAVE to be on drugs to wanna work here...:laughing:

You are awfully fond of quoting some of those who framed the constitution, yet have no problem looking the other way when it's something wrong (re-read the constitution again, especially the part about search & seizure) being done in the name of corp profits.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

OK, the insurance co$t argument...:rolleyesg

If in fact it were true:
Bow down to your corporate overlords peon...:smack:

A far more likely scenario is:

With paid time away from work, combined with the actual co$t of the lab work, x however many employees they are testing...:upsetgray
I have tremendous doubt if that argument holds much water.
Oops, I think I wasn't clear on this part. He has no choice but to test them. If he doesn't, his insurance rates go way up, and then he loses money. As a company that is trying to not outsource to the China, every penny counts. The VPs took huge paycuts in order to minimize layoffs. (We are talking about VPs that only make 100k a year, not 1.5mil a year) This a company that takes care of its people, if they are willing to contribute to the company. The idea being that if you have an incentive to see your company succeed, ie-stock shares, bonuses and so on, you will try harder.
He would rather not piss test except at hiring, of if they have an accident or whatnot. But with his insurance being a significant cost in the mix, he has to. He provides coverage to his full time employees, so thinking about how much health care costs, you can see why he would do this.

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Hey guy's get a room!

If you're a libertarian and believe everyone has a personal right of association, if your prospective employer want's you to piss in a cup.

DO IT and don't complain about his (or her ) choices.

You were looking for a job when you found that one, just keep on lookin'