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i must say wasabi the (GAY THREAD) has been quite entertaining lmfao. :p
It may surprise some people in here that I supported Arnold "The Govenator" Schwarzenegger (R) in the last California election and I would vote for him again. I wish he could run for president, He would have my vote, but he was born in Austria, and is one of those pesky immigrants that are not eligible for that office. I don't really consider myself a democrat, but just a guy who wants to see the smartest, most qualified candidates be placed where they can do the most good.
Why is it that when I read Jharris' mails I always picture myself an Alex Keaton from family ties.....
Relax Bro'( ). .
That is so funny I was just thinking that after reading Wasabi's posts he reminded me of Larry Finkelstein from Dharma and Greg
"Rush, Sean, Savage" quote from IndianaVX , You lost all creditability in that one sentence. Sorry Dude game over. :laughing:
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Originally Posted by circmand
I don't think I ever watched a single episode of Dharma and Greg. Sit-coms are not really my bag. Was Larry a sexually confused immigrant?
ha ha, good old Larry, yeah I see your point. Wasabi you should watch it though, it's quiet funny.Quote:
That is so funny I was just thinking that after reading Wasabi's posts he reminded me of Larry Finkelstein from Dharma and Greg
You let yourself get drawn to deep in what was supposed to be a relaxed discussion, time now to let it go, and it ends as it was supposed to end, no losers and no winners.
Last words though(can't help myself, I'm Dutch), the person who deserves presidency most is the person who had enough back bone to stand up against Bush's ridiculous plans to invade Iraq. The one person who wouldn't let himself get bullied in participating in this wasteful war. A person who didn't change his/her diet from French to Freedom. A person who doesn't need to score points by rushing the troops back home in a hurry.. Find yourself that person whether he/she is democrat or republican and there you have yourself a respectable president.
Oh and if you still think the war in Iraq was justified then you're either a brainwashed monkey or an Alex Keaton
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You can still catch in reruns. But no Larry was not sexually confused. He was confused about everything else. He was a balding pony tailed drug burn out from the sixties who thought the moon landing never took place. And like most rabid liberals thought people with stuff should be willing to share everything with those that did not. He of course had nothing to share.
Ok... I moved the thread to "Chit-Chat" so anyone wishing to read about VX subjects wont be suckered in to this one. ;)
I love a good forum for discussion but this is getting Jerry Springerish. It happens every couple of years and no one wins in these discussions - everyone gets bloody, except for the few that come in just to flame things up and watch the melee (you know who you are :cool: ), and someone inevitably leaves the membership. Not that my opinion matters but if you continue flinging those chairs try not to aim for the head...
Well that's an interesting way to describe me.Quote:
Originally Posted by circmand
But the truth is I still have almost all my hair and I only caught the tail end of the Sixties, and was more interested in breast feeding at that time than experimental drug use.
I don't consider myself a rabid liberal. I own a small business and close to a million dollars worth of property in one of the most sought after, expensive towns, in one of the most sought after , expensive states in the country.
All things considered I should be a republican.
Because I am one of those white guys with a dedicated home theater in his home, a full bar, a swimming pool, employees, kids, taxes, you name it...
But since I was a kid I have always had an interest in politics.I have always been a bit of a news junkie as well.
And in my humble opinion the Republican party has always been shady and underhanded. Starting with Watergate, Iran-Contra,"the axis of evil" the war on drugs,"Read my lips, no new taxes", Blow Job impeachments,and of course the ßull**** blood for oil war we let ourselves get suckered into.
But like I said before, I voted in our Republican Govenator and think he is doing a great job. He can actually string a cohesive sentence together in his thick Austrian accent better than some other elected officials I know who were born and educated in this country.
Sorry, George Bush is an Idiot and it is obvious to all he is in way over his head.
Sept 11 is coming up. Do you all remember the look on GWB's face when he was told the nation is under attack? Instead of jumping up and springing into action, He sat frozen their like a deer in the headlights, and remained motionless for like 10 minutes waiting for his pants to dry. I think even Dan Quaile could have handled that one better.
Oh well, it is time for me to go drop some acid and start a website on how the moon landing was staged.
Peace.
In order to say: "No one is right. No one is wrong." logically you yourself would have to have perfect knowledge of what is right and wrong to say this with finality, and I don't think you would say that at all. It is just like saying all religions have a little bit of the truth but none knows exactly who God is, but in order to make that statement you would have to have a perfect knowledge of God to say that. Basically in other words if you say something like: "NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE knows if there is a god. NO ONE knows why we are here, or what the meaning of life is. NO ONE knows if muslims are right, or jews are right, or if christians are right, or if its OK to be gay, or if eating animals is wrong or if there are aliens in our midst or why the hell some VXes burn oil." Then you yourself would have to know the real answers to these questions perfectly in order to say that no one else's answers are correct. I don't know if you are aware of this Bart but your views are exactly in line with what has been happening in this country for the last 80 years or so. This belief system that you seem to maybe adhere to has actually been so popular that it now has its own name. Secular humanism. Basically as you stated "live in the moment, do your best to cause the least impact on the future of life on earth, and believe in NOW." If I could summarize the secular humanism view not necessarily your words or your own view (only you can do that), but this prevailing thought in America today it would simply be to say: "As a human I should get all I can (while I can), can all I get, and sit on the can, that is the highest calling for man, because after all there is no solution, no one is right and no one is wrong there is no absolute truth." I respect your views and the secular humanism views because we as a country have been so psychologically focused for the last 80 years or so, trying to find your own personal peace inside of you picking and choosing to believe or not believe anything and no one can tell me I am wrong, that this secular humanism is obviously the end of this road. I had a presentation to a class of high school students recently on this subject where I was allowed to give my point of view on this and I would like to share it with you. Remember I am not trying to tell you that you are wrong and I welcome your comments, but I would like to give my point of view. I do not expect you to agree with many of the things I discuss, but I only want to present my own beliefs on this matter. Because I think we all deal with these types of questions. In fact I think we all ask and answer 4 basic questions as humans and I will only cut and paste a section of my presentation that addresses these 4 questions. You should probably only read if you really want to see my point of view, if not no biggie it is a lot of reading I understand completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by nfpgasmask
"I believe there are 4 basic questions that we all ask and we all answer depending on our view of the world around us. I believe these questions are so basic and common to mankind that they reach across ages and languages. These questions are common to all peoples. I believe they are part of the eternity that God placed upon our hearts (Ecc) so that we would not be content and fulfilled with anything short of a relationship with an eternal God. We must be very careful how we answer these questions because it will determine how effective we are in leading and where we are leading. Each of the two world views I mentioned earlier answers these questions differently.
Four Questions Everybody Asks
Question #1: Who Am I? What is my nature, my essence?
Question #2: Why Am I Here? What is my goal, my purpose?
Question #3: What Is Wrong with the World? Because obviously something is wrong.
Question #4: How Can What’s Wrong Be Made Right? Because living in a world where they cannot be made right is unthinkable and unlivable.
This is in the soul of every person to wrestle with these questions.
1st lets answer these questions from the perspective of our culture. What is the secular humanistic answer to these questions? Then we will look at Colossians to show us the Christian answer to these questions.
Question #1: Who Am I?
You are nothing, an accident, a mistake, a glorified ape, the result of random evolutionary processes, no rhyme, no reason, and no purpose that is all you are.
Question #2: Why Am I Here?
You are here to consume and enjoy, get all you can, can all you get, and sit on the can. How much money would be enough? A little bit more always a little bit more.
Put these two together and this is a lethal combination. Well, if we are really just a random mistake and we are here to consume and enjoy then I need to maximize my consuming and enjoying and no one better get in my way because after all they are nothing anyways. This is the same line of thought that sees an unborn baby as an inconvenient lump of flesh or worse this child will be severely deformed and will hinder your ability to consume and enjoy. Or even worse you are old and feeble, the end is near, you not only have a right to die, but a duty to die, we can give you a pill and your children will not have to take care of you anymore and they can consume and enjoy better. In this secular humanism world view, Who am I? I am nothing. Why am I here? To make the most of it, to consume and enjoy while I can.
Question #3: What Is Wrong with the World?
People are either insufficiently educated or insufficiently governed. People either don’t know enough or they are not being watched enough.
Question #4: How Can What’s Wrong Be Made Right?
More education. More government. Teach people more stuff. The only problem with this is? If you take a sinful murderous human being and educate them, they only become more sophisticated in their ability to destroy. Well then we need to govern them more. Really? Who is governing the governors?
These answers leave those who adhere to this philosophy wanting and empty and lacking.
How then do we respond?
Christian Theistic answers to these answers:
Question #1: Who Am I?
The crowning glory of the creation of God.
Colossians 1:15-17 (New American Standard Bible)
“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.”
John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”, Genesis 1:26 “Let us make man in our image and our likeness.”
Question #2: Why Am I Here?
To bring glory and honor to the Lord Jesus Christ.
Colossians 1:16-18 (New American Standard Bible)
“all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.”
Question #3: What Is Wrong with the World?
Me and everyone like me, who refuse to acknowledge the supremacy of Jesus Christ and live in the pursuit of self.
Colossians 1:19-21 (New American Standard Bible)
“For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven. And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,”
Question #4: How Can What’s Wrong Be Made Right?
Through the penal, substitutionary, atoning death of the Son of God, and through repentance and faith on the part of sinners.
Colossians 1:22-23 (New American Standard Bible)
“yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach-- if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.”
Our culture (secular humanism) leaves people empty and hopeless, man is left worthless, left to pursue our own satisfaction and never find it.
With Christ (Christian theism) we are seen as precious, we have a purpose, we are powerless but it is ok because we were purchased.
What is the difference in how we are to lead as Christians and how believers in other religions are leading. Well, it helps to remember that basically in every other religion in the world you need to have a religious experience, and after that you need to do everything in your power to do more good than bad. That experience and how the good and bad are done may be a little different across religions, but this is basically every religion outside of Christianity.
There are 3 problems with this:
-We can’t be good, we can try but we can’t do it, we are totally radically depraved, even when we do things that look to be good they are for the wrong motives.
-What about all the things we did before this religious experience?
-Where is the assurance?
What is more important how you start something or how you finish it? In the decathlon what is more important my standing after the first event or the last event? In a race what is most important your position at the beginning of the race or at the end? In high school what is most important your class rank your freshman year or your senior year? In a football game what is most important the score after the 1st quarter or the score at the end of the game? In our Christian Walk what is more important when and how it started or how we continued until the end? In our Christian Walk what is more important when and how we started following in such a way to deserve followers or if we continue to do so until the very end? If we live our Christian lives pointing back to a time that we prayed a prayer or a time when we felt close to God, yet do not currently experience a walk with Him today, where are we leading? What are we following today if all our hope is in an event in the past? A great leader continues to follow Christ all the way to the end.
Hebrews 4:13
“We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.”
Colossians 1:22-23
“yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach-- if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard”
I am sorry this is so long, and thanks to any who actually read this. I respect all of your points of view and all of your amazing senses of humor, I hope that this made you think in some way and I really do care about all of you and I hope and pray that you all find happiness and hope in some belief, because we all have beliefs and trust in something or someone whether we know it or not.
Your VX brother,
Ryan H
USA Decathlon Team
Well said David (IndianaVX).
Wasabi, seriously did you really think this was not going to cause this kind of outcome?
I have noticed that your only numbers or facts were the ones you copied and pasted. Your own thoughts and knowledge were mere finger pointing and name calling.
Some background on me. I am politically charged. My father was state rep. in the 80's and early 90's, served as city and county judge... I have had many political science courses in the past and present. I am a member of the nation young republicans (ages 18-40). The list goes on...
Other than this forum I also visit a local and national political forum where I spend my time discussing such topics. If you like I could copy and past my statements on here from that forum. But I have yet to do so becuase for some reason this topic seems out of place and a waste of my time to discuss in two places. I could only imagine what it would be like for a member to ask how to change the oil in his camry on the political forum. Granted, this is an open forum with no guidelines so I accept. However I will advise that if you do have questions and political concerns please visit a poltical forum either national or local, and or seek guideance by taking a course at a local community college. There is alot to be learned.
I at this point stand by the fact that this is waste of time and effort to debate on here becuase you (Wasabi) will never accept obvious defeat, but will in fact just continue to post replies like your past ones. I can only imagine your response. Side note: I think your rant here should cost you at least $20.
Dutchie, welcome back from lurkville. My best friends is German (only referenced since he is not American) and you act just like him. I will tell you the same thing. I do not wish such actions, but I would like to see how your leaders react to a terriost attack of the same nature that was placed on us.
Oh and by the way I picture you as Jonathan Quan "data" from the movie The Goonies.
P.S. I did not use spell checker and do not see the use of it since this is a forum and not a term paper. If you want to be technical, overlook your past posts.
I think you completely missed the point. The reason he knows that no one knows the "truth" is because you can not know something that is unprovable. The very definition of faith is belief without proof. So you can have faith, you can believe, but you can not know. You might even be right in your faith, but you can't prove it so you can't know you are right.Quote:
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I now feel I have born again in Jesus.
I renounce my evil,sinful ways and have found myself transformed in the lord.
I am now not only a born again christian, but a republican as well.
you have all convinced me of my evil, sinful, liberal ways and I am so ashamed of the way I have been talking in this forum.
God has shown me the light, and I will spend the rest of the afternoon deleting all the pornography off my computer, Flushing all my high grade marujuana and cocaine down the toilet.
I vow never to fornicate again until marriage, and probably even after as well.
I vow to vote for any candidate who is a true christian, no matter how stupid he may be.
I will join a church, one headed by a true man of god such as Jimmy Swaggert,or Jim Baker,or Ted Haggert or Jim Jones,because I need guidance by someone who knows the word of god and the meaning of life much better than say...Monty Python.
Thank you for your divine inspiration...
God bless!!
Huh? You would prefer that he make up numbers and facts instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
That's reprehensible.Quote:
Side note: I think your rant here should cost you at least $20.
What a lot of americans don't understand is that the rest of the world has been dealing with terrorism for centuries. For the most part they've figured out that terrorism is a crime, not a war. Our country's naivete is no excuse for reacting in such a poorly conceived fashion. Do we not fashion ourselves the greatest nation? Shouldn't that mean we have a responsibility to behave that way too? Doesn't that mean our leaders have a duty to lead responsibly rather then fuel the fires of fear and reactionism?Quote:
Dutchie, welcome back from lurkville. My best friends is German (only referenced since he is not American) and you act just like him. I will tell you the same thing. I do not wish such actions, but I would like to see how your leaders react to a terriost attack of the same nature that was placed on us.
Attempting to justify such poor governance by claiming another country would do the same is absolutely beneath us. Are we leaders or are we followers?
;) What does everybody think of the God gene concept? I know I don't have it and where in the hell is God when you need him :confused: My eternal place :flame: :flame2:
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You just will neverstand will you. I never denied the fact that other countries deal with terrorism. It is obivious that they do. But thanks for trying to make it sound like I have no clue. My statement was obviously pointing to the fact that when a nation is victim to such an act they will become a follower of thee. So I ask you this. If you were in office, what would your exact actions be? And please refrain from posting. " I certainly would not do this and that. Stuff that W has done." Really I am interested in the direction you would have taken our country if you were the leader. Take your time and think about it, dont just post a ignorant reply within 10 minutes.
...spell check was not used.
Wasabi. Not sure if you have heard of them or what your taste in music is. But on a lighter note you should buy/download/borrow NoFX's cd "War on Errorism" It is a good listen and you would like the content.
...No harm intended in this message.
I will take a listen, I like Nofx, and if your equally as open listen to nine inch nails " Year Zero" or watch the movie "V for Vendetta" ...you might find them interesting.Quote:
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Originally Posted by HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE
Heard both, like both. The NoFX cd is good. Fat Mike hates Bush to the extreme.
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See we CAN agree on some things!
I do not understand what you mean by "will become a follower of thee." Other countries have been dealing with terrorism for generations and have not gone out and started unprovoked wars in response.Quote:
Originally Posted by JHarris1385
1) Investment in infrastructure. Instead of ridiculous spending on "anti-terrorism" I would have ear-marked money for first responders like paramedics, police, fire-fighters and hospitals. Money for cities to develop emergency contingency plans. Investment in the kind of things that help with any sort of disaster be it man-made terrorism, man-made accidents or natural disasters.Quote:
If you were in office, what would your exact actions be?
2) Investment in people. Instead of funding the military-industrial complex to kill thousands of innocents and thus create more terrorists I would have invested in aid to the areas where terrorists find support. The invasion of afghanistan was a great start, get involved with the locals and give them good reason support us and not our enemies. The problem is we did not follow through. After accomplishing the headline news objective of toppling the taliban we bailed out. Leaving them to deal with a power vacuum of our own creation.
Iran was doing pretty well compared to previous decades, Khatami needed more support. Instead, the invasion of Iraq polarized opinion against the US and thus him and now the country has taken a major step backwards under Ahmadinejad.
Alright...
Much has been said in here, maybe too much. So I am gonna put in one last thought and be done.
I think religion and political affiliations are determined by two factors.
Location and parentage...
I am willing to bet Jharris and Indianavx both had fathers and mothers who were republican. I know for a fact they both live in the midwest in a fine state that is also mostly Republican.
I would also venture to guess( and please correct me if I am wrong)they had grandfathers and grandmothers who were also GOP.
I would also bet if they were both born and raised in Iraq,They might both be devout muslims and possibly insurgents, Burning American flags and shouting "Death to America" as loud as possible.
My point is I think where you live and what your parents believe greatly influences your own beliefs.
If I was born in India, I might be a hindu, and hate pakistanis.
If I were born in Mexico, I might be Catholic, and hate the INS.
If I were born in Germany in the 40's, I might hate jews.
I just think knowing that it is important to think outside the box, and question the beliefs you have been spoon fed since birth.
just my 2 cents.
Think about it..
I couldn't agree more..................here's just another thought...............every year for as long as man kept recording tells us the apostolic is coming........Who's to say it hasn't already been faced by some cilizations. It could be argued by some Aztecs that it did happen in 1519, maybe it was in December 2004 when the tusnami hit, or perhaps to some Japanese it was in August 1945 when the the bomb fell.
It's a matter of perpective and not everyone perspective is the same. Give some thought.
Peace.
Tom
Just when i thought it was going to end you posted this. First off Indiana is not majority republican. I live in one the most democratic counties in Indiana as well (Clark), see for yourself. True my dad is a republican but my grandparents are not. Actually they are strict liberals, and becuase so there was not any political talk at gatherings before they passed away. However my dad's father was the only republican out of the four and was a local and national figure. I certainly agree your almost born into a party, but through education you choose the party yourself. I think outside the box without a doubt, and it is just a coinsidence that we both live here in Indiana. Quite suprized there have been so many viewers and few to respond and stand up. I guess they realized long before I did that this fight was better left unfought since it has been a true waste of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE
It was not a complete waste of time. I had fun reading it - some of it got way too long winded then I got bored. Otherwise, like Chopper said, you get to learn more about the people here with threads like this.
I cant remember who said it but it goes like this; If you are a Republican before you are 30 you are uncaring of your fellow man but if you are Democratic after you are 30 you are an idiot. The idea is when you are under 30 you do not have a lot and are open to the idea of everyone sharing because you are likely to end up with more, but after 30 years you mostly have worked hard and started getting some stuff so the idea of giving some of it up to someone who hasn't is not as attractive.
Just like you see Osama Bin Laderhosen calling for Muslims to blow themselves up you do not see him doing it
Just like we all have heard John Lennon singing for everybody to share and get along most of his wealth ended up in Yoko or Seans hands.
Now many here think George W is the first person to start a war or that the Middle East was all peaceful and happy before we attacked Iraq. Well that isn't true or old Bill Clinton would not have ever negotiated ever lasting peace in the Middle East about 6 times during the 8 years he was in charge. I seem to remember he started the war in Afghanistan and used up all of our smart bombs without ever arranging to build more. As a matter of fact he had the military bomb the Chinese Embassy and a milk factory and an aspirin plant and turned down India when they offered us Bin Laden when we accused him of the first Trade Center bombing.
Now old GW he has made more mistakes than a cow has nipples over the War in Iraq but only one Senator voted against giving him the power to do so. And quite frankly I do not beleive the Democrats who say yeah we voted for it but we did not expect him to do it. They are either lieing or they thought he would not do it and they could use that as proof that they were strong on National Defense and the Republicans are weak.
It astounds me that the Democrats are constantly saying on one hand he is doing all this stuff and fooling them and such but on the other hand saying he is an idiot. Well if he is an idiot what does that say about the Democrats who have been consistantly fooled by him for the last 6 years?
All politicians suck and anyone who beleives one side over the other is such a moron thatthey should not be allowed to vote.
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Actually, it is: if you are a Republican before you are 30, you have no heart, and if you are a Democrat after you turn 30, you have no brain.
[/QUOTE]All politicians suck and anyone who beleives one side over the other is such a moron thatthey should not be allowed to vote.[/QUOTE]
lol-if one did not believe one side over the other then they wouldn't know who to vote for anyway and probably wouldn't. I follow the lesser of two (or sometimes three) evils philosophy myself ;)
Exactly, WyrreJ. I have no FAITH in anything man-made. God is a concept concieved by man and the bible was written by people. I believe that the bible is a series of stories designed to help guide people through life, and help them understand things that were at one time (and in some cases still) not understood. Nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by WyrreJ
And if there is a higher power, or some sort of force swaying things back and forth, then it is something that NO ONE on earth can identify. It is something we cannot even imagine or even begin to explain. For a person, or a group of people to believe that they in fact CAN explain it, is either utterly pompous, or stupidly insane. Only in death may the real meaning of life become apparent, but then again, we might just turn into soulless dust...
Like WyrreJ said above, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I am saying exactly the opposite. NO ONE has a perfect knowledge of ANYTHING!Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
The only thing I believe in is nature. It is the only "God" I will ever "Pray" to, because it is this planet that gives us life. Not Jesus, not George W., not Allah and not money. Its water and sunshine and apples. We are all just animals. I know you religious people will scoff at that, but that is what I think. All of the "emotions" that make us human, are just extensions of our animal instincts. Everything we do is based on instinct, but because we have free will and a moderate amount of contemplative intelligence, we have created societies that go against instinct. Everything from religion to sitting in a cubicle is society's way of de-animalizing humanity. When you get right down to it, we are just like every other four legged creature on earth. We KILL, FCUK, and EAT. That is how we survive, except with layers and layers and layers of bullsh1t on top to disguise and sugar coat what we are REALLY doing. And THAT is all I was trying to say, but in a much nicer way.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBeast
:) Bart
PS - On the "Secular humanism" concept, why are we always labeling eachother? Must everyone fit perfectly into some man-made mold? Must we all be dyed in the wool Republicans? Or dyed in the wool Social Darwinists? Or dyed in the wool Satanists? Or dyed in the wool Liberals? No two people see life exactly the same way, so lets leave the labeling to Coke and Pepsi.
Question everything you know!
That is the one thing that "faithful" people of any denomination typically do not do my friend, but I most certainly agree that they should.
I was raised Catholic, went to 6 years of Catholic school in fact, but it is because I have always asked "who are you to tell me what is true and what is not", that lead me to think the way I do now. Some people just choose to eat the mush on the end of the spoon, but some people spit it out after a while and ask to try something different.
Bart
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YA BUNCH OF HAIRLESS MONKEYS !
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The quotation is:It's actually a misquote misattributed to Winston Churchill.Quote:
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
it's also a load of bullsheet. It presumes that people are solely the product of their experience, that they are unable to reason there way to an understanding of a situation outside of their own. Sure, lots of people really are the self-centered, but that's hardly an ideal.
And Al Gore flying in private jets and riding in limos when calling for people to conserve energy.Quote:
Just like you see Osama Bin Laderhosen calling for Muslims to blow themselves up you do not see him doing it
Or George Bush declaring war but never firing a single shot with his own hands.
Yeah, MANY people here think that.Quote:
Now many here think George W is the first person to start a war or that the Middle East was all peaceful and happy before we attacked Iraq.
One thing the democrats have failed at and failed miserably is in their role as the loyal opposition. When they were a minority they just went along when they could have least done the "bully pulpit" thing and now that they have a majority in congress they best they can do is the occasional token resistance.Quote:
Now old GW he has made more mistakes than a cow has nipples over the War in Iraq but only one Senator voted against giving him the power to do so. And quite frankly I do not beleive the Democrats who say yeah we voted for it but we did not expect him to do it. They are either lieing or they thought he would not do it and they could use that as proof that they were strong on National Defense and the Republicans are weak.
Ahem, indeed we are Master Dub!
:) Bart
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Originally Posted by Ldub
Sort of a tiresome read, but a view with some merit. The place I stumble on the theory is...animals fear and fight against death, every bit as much as we do...at least when it's upon them. They manage to face oblivion and function without the gene. Neolithic man could ponder death, we presume animals cannot, but you're not allowing much time between aquiring the fear, and evolving the gene to overcome it in their model. Left me with a bit of an Art Bell feel...but I occasionally think of it still. Oh yeah...I was wondering how long it was gonna take for someone to whip their Jesus out. I am enjoying this thread...it's following all the great thread pathways...like Anita saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Scott Harness
I was raised by wolves...you can only imagine my political views ;) (hint: it's the same as my "religion" or lack thereof...unloading about 3 or 4 billion humans without scorching the planet is the platform)
..........I cant wait for real proof of ET life !!
Boy Oh Boy , will that ever screw with the arrogant dogma of most 'organized' religions.
I think one phrase sums it up... and it covers the scourge of the modern day blame game , hypocrisy and deceit.
Simply said so long ago...
DO UNTO OTHERS........
jo
Forget the God Gene, go with, "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind."
I voted for Nader last time around... some may laugh and say I threw away my vote. That's fine, but I think voting for either of the two "elite idiots" in '04 was pretty much throwing your vote away anyway! Things would be just as screwed up had Kerry won the election... maybe in different ways but still screwed up. I wonder how many times he would have brought troops home and sent them back again, then brought them home, then sent them back again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorak
But I voted for Nader, because of the 3 reasons to run for President (my view anyway), I think he represents the greater cause first:
Clinton = Power then duty
Bush = Greed, Power, Duty (as in revenge in his case - he was eyeing Iraq and "WMD" before he was even elected)
Kerry = I don't even think HE settled on why he wanted to run!
Nader = Duty - The guy knows he is not going to win, but he keeps running for Pres. to show people they don't have to be limited to the lesser of two evils. So my vote was for the hope of a greater future; a multi-party government. Face it, we were in trouble no matter what, during that election and the last couple years! No matter who would have ended up in office, we would be hurting right now.
But I probably would have voted for Dean had he not been shot down for being so energized and passionate.
The church would come up with something! They have survived this long on books and stories. Mormons would just alter their teachings to include whatever aliens were discovered as a new chapter to their story. They would probably say, "Joseph Smith was hand in hand with God when he created his own new world in the stars. He wanted his alien people to be able to reach out to humans to show them how good heaven is. That is why they are coming here now. We are to be servants of these great beings to show dedication to our father." Not laughing? Good, cuz I'm not joking; I'm probably right!Quote:
Originally Posted by JoFotoz
[QUOTE=ZEUS] He wanted his alien people to be able to reach out to humans to show them how good heaven is. That is why they are coming here now. We are to be servants of these great beings to show dedication to our father." Said Cortez to the Inca.....(like the toothpick in the banana....monkeys fall for this one every time)