I always wondered...:_thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by HeckaTrebeka
When you grow your own fish, you plant them tail down....right?
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I always wondered...:_thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by HeckaTrebeka
When you grow your own fish, you plant them tail down....right?
...By the same rational ....just rank what substances impair most one's abilities while driving.....Quote:
Originally Posted by VXR
...Drugs will be on the top...worse than alcohol indeed!!
...with alcohol you loose part of yourself but with drugs you loose yourself...and I would not like to be driving in the same roads or being a pedestrian in a place where people are not rational anymore due to drugs
You must have never been really drunk!!:bgwb:Quote:
Originally Posted by jheyson =)
Where do you get "facts" like this...:_thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by jheyson =)
Reefer Madness comes to mind...:rolleyesg
Or maybe a grade school propaganda film. (they used to tell us to get under our desk & cover our heads in the event of a nuclear attack)
Other drugs like heroin...maybe, but weed is FAR & AWAY more benign than alcohol, with regard to temprament/motor skills etc.
I've done actual, real world research...:smilewink
You are right! I neither drink nor smoke because I think that it does nothing positive to my body or to the people around me. However, I have given rides to some of my drunk friends after a party ,and also some that they were under the influence of drugs....it is really sad how irrational a human being can become under influence of drugs and alcohol. Drugs bring pleasure to the user....but what positive thing does pleasure bring to the betterment of society or kids ? Are people dependent of a substance to bring them happiness? I known there is a whole economic issue behind it...but it is really worth it?
...Freedom of Speech is great :yeso:
With Aquaponics, the plants grow the fish and the fish grow the plants... Is your mind not yet blown??? Well then, let me add that there is no fertilization needed for the plants either and all you need to do is add water! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldub
Hello Jheyson, it seems like you may have a distorted view when it comes to differentiating alcohol from other drugs. Yes, alcohol is just another drug, same with caffeine and nicotine. Each drug sends different signals to your brain which enhance and impair different parts of said fatty matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by jheyson =)
The key difference between driving drunk and driving stoned is this:
Alcohol is a depressant because it slows down the functions of the central nervous system. This means that normal brain function is delayed, and a person is unable to function normally. Alcohol affects a person's information-processing skills, also known as cognitive skills, and hand-eye coordination, also referred to as psychomotor skills.
Consuming alcohol prior to driving greatly increases the risk of car accidents, highway injuries, and vehicular deaths. The greater the amount of alcohol consumed, the more likely a person is to be involved in an accident.
(taken from http://www.duifoundation.org/drunkdriving/impairment/)
Although cannabis intoxication has been shown to mildly impair psychomotor skills, this impairment does not appear to be severe or long lasting. In driving simulator tests, this impairment is typically manifested by subjects decreasing their driving speed and requiring greater time to respond to emergency situations.
(taken from http://norml.org/library/item/mariju...tific-evidence)
Jheyson, if you've read this far then I thank you for your time and consideration on this matter and ask that you please do some research before setting any opinion either for or against marijuana/alcohol/any other drug.
Agreed, but without any experience, you're parroting something that you've heard or read somewhere...:uhohgray:Quote:
Originally Posted by jheyson =)
That's how rumors get started...:smilewink
[QUOTE=Ldub;269877]Where do you get "facts" like this...:_thinking
Reefer Madness comes to mind...:rolleyesg
Or maybe a grade school propaganda film. (they used to tell us to get under our desk & cover our heads in the event of a nuclear attack)
Other drugs like heroin...maybe, but weed is FAR & AWAY more benign than alcohol, with regard to temprament/motor skills etc.
I've done actual, real world research...:smilewink[/QUOTE
I don't get the facts from any source but the one that my one eyes have witness ,and personal experience in homeless shelters and poor areas as a volunteer in school ....Iam not sure about the effects of weed in terms of motor skills and temperament...but..they impair one's abilities at some level.
If my hours as a volunteer count.....then ...I have done actual world research,too;)
I would like to point out that I have driven under the influence of alcohol before. Marijuana as well, but on different occasions. I can say from first hand experience, that driving while stoned caused me to be even more cautious of my surroundings and my speed had always stayed at or below the speed limit.
Driving under the influence of alcohol is a completely different experience. I took greater risks and sped often. I would be so much more comfortable driving next to a person stoned, than a person drunk.
I do not condone driving under either influence. I am just relating personal experience with what I had done in the past. I no longer drive drunk or stoned. Neither experience involved any hard lessons or anything, I just don't.
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Originally Posted by HeckaTrebeka
[QUOTE=jheyson =);269884]I stand at 50% corrected, with a referral back hekka's last post, which is SPOT on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldub
My apologies...:flower:
Sorry fellers but with my lack of experience (I've led a very sheltered life) I'm going to side with Jheyson on this one.
That is great that you are not driving under the influence anymore.
It shows that you care about your own safety but also the safety of other citizens:yesy:
[QUOTE=HeckaTrebeka;269885]I would like to point out that I have driven under the influence of alcohol before. Marijuana as well, but on different occasions. I can say from first hand experience, that driving while stoned caused me to be even more cautious of my surroundings and my speed had always stayed at or below the speed limit
..... We have to understand that the degree of tolerance in some individuals is greater compared to others as well as the quantity used. Therefore, what may not impair your abilities does not mean that others will react the same way as you. If everybody would react the same as you while driving, marijuana would make better drivers.(It can be added to the positive uses of Marijuana)
…Thanks for the internet links that you sent me. I heard about hemp,too and its different uses in different areas. The articles are interesting. This topic is very controversial, and I stand up for personal views based on my volunteer experience, friend’s experience, the media ,and articles. I am not trying to create negative rivalry, but I just want to express my point of view....You probably know that there are going to be 2 sides when you first posted this controversial issue . It is an interesting topic, I just stand up for what I think is right in my eyes.
[QUOTE=HeckaTrebeka;269885]Driving under the influence of alcohol is a completely different experience. I took greater risks and sped often. I would be so much more comfortable driving next to a person stoned, than a person drunk.
.....Just one quick question...How did you record clearly and precisely the differences between drugs and alcohol if you were under the influence of these 2 drugs anyways. If a second person would have witnessed you driving under the 2 effects, it would have been more accurate in my opinion.
[QUOTE=HeckaTrebeka;269885]I do not condone driving under either influence. I am just relating personal experience with what I had done in the past. I no longer drive drunk or stoned. Neither experience involved any hard lessons or anything, I just don't.[
…..There have been some VX members that have lost close family members and some that have been involved in accidents because of people under the influence of alcohol....you are lucky, you have not had to learn the hard way...but It is a positive sign that you don't drive while under the influence of any drug anymore.:yeso:
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No problem Ldub :happyface
This is a controversial issue and it is interesting and rewarding to listen to other
people's points of view. I learn good info from hekka's articles..and it is good because we learn something new everyday..peace X2:winko:
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Originally Posted by jheyson =)
Thanks Tom. x2:yeso: This controversial issue may go both ways ,and Iam sure there are people in both ends.
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Originally Posted by tom4bren
To answer your question, I want to first point out that I have not driven completely drunk, but maybe over the legal limit for driving purposes. At this level of impairment, I am still able to speak with coherent sentences and can walk in a reasonably straight line. I've also noticed that I'm way better at playing online shooter games at this level of alcohol impairment(headshots all the damn time). However, I've made self evaluations regarding my mood while driving as well as my confidence level.Quote:
.....Just one quick question...How did you record clearly and precisely the differences between drugs and alcohol if you were under the influence of these 2 drugs anyways. If a second person would have witnessed you driving under the 2 effects, it would have been more accurate in my opinion.
I am much more confident after a few drinks and I have a personal sense of 'heightened awareness'. I've found that my actions reflect on these feelings and I start to act carelessly, which I regretted later after I've thought about what could have happened in that 5 mile drive, had I done what I did while there were other drivers around me.
Second, I have driven home, high, once when I feel I probably should have waited another hour. While driving I felt very self-conscious and paranoid that I might make a mistake so I would constantly check my mirrors, speed, as well as keep an eye on other drivers so that I was never tailgating or in a person's way. I was able to make it home from the 40 mile drive and I would take that drive over the one 5 miles long being impaired through alcohol.
These are personal evaluations that I feel are accurate as I have had time to reflect on them while sober. I do not learn most of my lessons this way, as I take the hard road many times and learn from first hand experience, but I am glad that I was able to learn from this without harm done to anybody(except maybe my liver).
I understand that not everybody has the ability to assess themselves or function the same way at the same level of impairment, which is why I definitely do not condone driving under the influence of anything. But if it had to be ANYTHING, I would prefer a stoned driver over a drunk driver any day.
i think some of you might be confusing recreational with habitual
I'm thinkin' somebody here might be a real downer at a party, not naming names or anything, just sayin'...:_beer:
[QUOTE=jheyson =);269901]No problem Ldub :happyface
This is a controversial issue and it is interesting and rewarding to listen to other
people's points of view. I learn good info from hekka's articles..and it is good because we learn something new everyday..peace X2:winko:
That's right good of ya...:thumbup:...to be able to see both sides, is an ability not given many.
I didn't mean to harsh on Ya dude, it's just that I have many decades of experience...on BOTH sides of the bottle/and or pipe.
I've done almost a decade in my adult life, where I was stone cold sober...I've also not drawn a stone cold sober breath in the last couple of decades...and I'm including pain meds & sleep meds (all prescribed & legal) in that statement.
I take no pride in that fact, it is what it is. When you reach a certain pain threshold, you do what it takes...OR, start looking @ the hemlock society website. I ain't there yet...:smilewink
Once again I concur...SPOT ON!...:yesgray:Quote:
Originally Posted by HeckaTrebeka
Ummmmmmm...DUDE...:_thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by evillecutter
You left out CHRONIC...:laughing:
If that was targeted at me ...
I would just have to say that there is not need to be under effect of a substance to have fun in a party or ...is it a requirement?
alcohol +party = fun?? or being yourself + party = not fun or downer?? ...I think, the way you handle yourself before others is more important than how many beers you can drink. I have way more fun being conscious of my actions....and sometimes laughing at the outrageous behavior of my college friends under the influence of alcohol:smilewink.
I am not against consuming alcohol socially. That is perfectly fine, but with moderation, self-control ,and responsibility. Drinking is part of our culture, and some people abuse to the point that becomes a negative aspect.
Let me know if you need a ride after a party....the downer will take you home safely...peace:winky:
If that was not targeted at me.....Iam just helping the downer ^^
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Originally Posted by Scott Larson
Gotta agree with jheyson. I am not a smoker myself, so its not possible for me to criticize driving ability while affected by pot. However, I, like jheyson, have riden in the car with people stoned, and also followed stoned/drunk friends home.
Hecka, not arguing with your evaluation that it is usually safer for a stoned person to drive than a drunk person. But i would much rather not choose between two evils if given the choice. Why should we be comparing which one is 'less impairing'? If it impairs your driving ability you should not be on public roads, flat out.
I have absolutely no quams with anyone smoking weed on their own time and place, doesnt affect me. However, it does affect me when people start driving around impaired. At that point it should be punished to the same level as any impairment; alcohol, drugs, texting, distracted driving, tired driving.
Just my $.02. All I know for sure is I dont want people driving around looking up into the sky looking for UFO's because they are stoned :p
No one in this thread has disagreed with any point you made Bro...:heart:Quote:
Originally Posted by pbkid
No one want's to share the road with those who are impaired...:yesgray:
But the comparison of behaviors...weed vs alcohol...IS germane, IMO, to the topic at hand, which is: legalization.
Thanks for sharing that Ldub. I have not been in the other side, and I really appreciate your viewpoint. There is no harm done...we are a part of the same VX family ,and we are not strangers. By the way, when I was a prospect member here in the forum you and VXkat were the first members that I sent a Pm seeking advise weather or not to buy a VX. Iam not sure if you remember that. In my opinion you are one of the many icons of this forum . Your VX is A.W.S.O.M.E and I like the mods...Skulls rule !!!
Peace Ldub ..and keep up the positive spirit:yeso:
(quote Ldub)That's right good of ya...:thumbup:...to be able to see both sides, is an ability not given many.
I didn't mean to harsh on Ya dude, it's just that I have many decades of experience...on BOTH sides of the bottle/and or pipe.
I've done almost a decade in my adult life, where I was stone cold sober...I've also not drawn a stone cold sober breath in the last couple of decades...and I'm including pain meds & sleep meds (all prescribed & legal) in that statement.
I take no pride in that fact, it is what it is. When you reach a certain pain threshold, you do what it takes...OR, start looking @ the hemlock society website. I ain't there yet...:smilewink
Glad ya feel that way friend...:flower:.:heart:Quote:
Originally Posted by jheyson =)
And yes...I DO remember...:yesgray:
All and all it depends on the individual. I can sit on a bar stool have one beer and be completely un-affected. The person next to me may have one beer and stagger out the door. I think we all know someone like that. Like my parents taught me...........know your limit. Not preaching mind you, but if you can't handle it, leave it alone. That's all I got for youse.
Sorry to shatter your false sense of security but you already are...Quote:
Originally Posted by jheyson =)
Pot has been legalized in California for medical purposes for quite some time. Although the state deems it legal the federal government does not. And there's the rub. If a federal agent finds you with pot in whatever state you live, do not pass go, do not collect $200, got directly to jail.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeckaTrebeka
Ummmmmmm...DUDE...:_thinking
You left out CHRONIC...:laughing
NICE. :_beer:
btw i would never ever ridicule anyone for being sober or not partaking in any drug or alcohol use - i support everyone's choice to do whatever it is that makes them happy AS LONG AS it doesnt negatively effect anyone else and they do not try to shove their beliefs in someone else's face - if the world lived by these rules it would be a much better place
I understand that federally, it is still prohibited. However, without WA and CO being the first to start legalization, then the chain reaction of events toward ending this unjust prohibition would possibly not be started as it has been now.Quote:
Pot has been legalized in California for medical purposes for quite some time. Although the state deems it legal the federal government does not. And there's the rub. If a federal agent finds you with pot in whatever state you live, do not pass go, do not collect $200, got directly to jail.
http://www.golocalprov.com/news/pot/
..Right on the spot !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by VXR
enough said :winky:
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Originally Posted by jheyson =)
Fremont! I finally remember where that troll came from. Was going to visit Fremont sometime soon.