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Thanks Deer Magnet - I'll try that.. I ran into this same problem before in the past. (Being mentioned by name)Quote:
Originally Posted by deermagnet
JoFotoz - "9 people online...using this site.....
JoFotoz, 4X4 UFO, CoastieCosta567, crager34, garfull, jdm monkey, mdwyer, mikemol, The Lompican
...3 are paid up members.
The other 6 know who they are...
Somebeach...
I am simply stating my opinion...JUST AS YOU ARE.
You are essentially telling me I have no right to air my opinion....
...and in doing so , you simply negate your own right to air yours.
Saying I "feel" this should be a paid site ..
..is FAR cry from DEMANDING IT BE A PAID SITE...
...it was an OPINION.
Saying I think everyone that uses this site should ""assume"" the responsibility of supporting it...
..is a FAR CRY from ''"demanding"" everyone pays to use it !
Again..it was an OPINION.
I REALLY hope you will reconsider your exit...
And I'm sorry if you thought my 'nudge' was over zealous....
...I kinda feel the same way about your reaction!
You have clearly demonstrated YOUR strong views..
...please respect that I was simply doing the same!!
And letsa face it...sometimes the lack of intonation and voice inflection leads "posted' words reading rather cold .
jo
I haven't post any word 'till now.
I've read each post carefully.
And my conclusion is :
It's absolutely imperative that ALL OF US stop this sort of topics.
We,under no circunstancies shall finger any member for donations.
I knew that @ some point down the road this issue will get outter control & here we are......
It's absolutely imperative that supporters stops pitching any words to any non supporters regarding this sensible topic.
Yes we all knows that scott appretiates all & every single donation to support the site,yes we all know that the site doens't support on its self & we all know that when the goal is not acomplish scott has to pull the rest to cover the remaining amount but again,The word donation means " help at your will" or "as much as you can offer" but we cannot keep going this road because scott don't want that & it's very unconfortable in any way no matter what.
At vehicross.info there's no 1rst class or 2nd class members,there's no preferred or non preferred members,there's no VIP members,there's no members that has the lead or any one that has to follow.this is not any sort of army forces where there's a commander in chief which other less ranked has to obey.
If we check all these past months we all can figured out that during the year of 2009 few of those months the donation goal wasn't only met,but donations exceeded the $ 300 required to cover the cost of the server.Other months the donation goal were bit short & others,like last month was only $ 20 donated to the site,what i mean with this is that all goes by the flow of the site it self.
Yes,it would be great that all members donates to the site,but because we don't know how tight each member's financial situation could be,we got to refrain from popping this topic ever again.
Another fact that slipped our minds is that new members are watching us & this sort of situations instead of encouraging them to be more active & more eager to help will just drive them away from the site.
It's only an small porcentage of us whom support the site & all we got to do is support as much as we can.
That's how scott choose the site to be & we all shall respect his decision.
Don't want my single post to be offensive to any of you guys & get my back side kicked,please....i just asking to keep this topic of the board & let the site flow on its own.
Somebeach,i was one of the 1rst group of members that welcomed you here,please don't leave,you are important as much as all of us in here,every one of us gives life to this site & every one of us are important in here.We are an community where some will not agree on every single topic,but i strongly believe we all in here for the same interests ............ isn't ?
@Gussie Those words are a class act.
I suggest we close the thread on those thoughts.
x2!!
If the originator of this thread (Handeeman) wishes to lock it up, I shall do so.
One more thought that hasn't been expressed yet - the benefits lost by a member leaving (irregardless of the monitary aspects).
I was counting on meeting up with VTmaverick & somebeach to run the Outer Banks next summer & I think it was somebeach who knew the trails.
Somebeach ... if yer still listening ... wanna 'play in the sand' next summer (I'll bring the burgers, dogs & grill)?
Teehee...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gussie2000
I liked everything you said, Gus... I would like to believe people will donate on their own but I don't have much faith in people. Yes, times are tough for everyone and money is tight. I know though, this site grew to be more than Scott had initially planned. Tone informed us all how badly the server needed to be upgraded to handle the amount of bandwidth we were going through. Things were very unstable. The lot of us raised enough cash to fund the upgrade - YAY US! Scott still did all the work. This upgrade would not have happened if nobody took the initiative to make things happen. However, this also raised yearly costs a bit and has increased Scott's workload in managing the site. Several of us have developed a friendship with Scott - he is a wonderful person to know, with a great sense of humor and wit, and he looks out for others in seemingly every respect. I admire the man and personally it feels to me like we should be looking out for him. I hate how this topic ends up so often and we all know Scott does as well. I whole-heartedly agree that some of the tactics used to recruit support in the past should be looked upon with regret and for my part I do regret my own failed attempts and methods.
Still, the fact is, a decent and subtle reminder of the needs of this site is a good thing. I know this site works because of the work Scott has done to make it work and because of the money that is donated to meet the yearly costs. If someone chooses to not donate, that is fine - it is NOT a requirement - but the need is still there for enough kind people to fund Scott's on-going efforts. New members come along every month and they don't know Scott (Moncha), his situation, his health, his frustration, the work he puts in, nor the funds collected to make ends meet. I believe it best for people to be informed and therefore I encourage decent site support reminders. If a current member already knows Scott and chooses not to support the site financially they need no reminder nor history lesson nor abuse.
Just be gentle and respectful in our methods and there should not be a problem in keeping things civilized nor finding the needed funds to keep things up and running.
I still see no reason for Doug to leave and think he is over-reacting... which is something I know very well :bgwo: but whatever, good luck to ya.
In light of this conversation I humbly request to have the "Zoid" label taken off my name.
All ya gotta do is break 50 or 100 posts, I can't remember which...:yesgray:Quote:
Originally Posted by erland
At your current average of 10 per yr...well, you do the math...:smilewink
To put that goal on the fast track, twenty bucks changes you from "zoid" to site supporter...:thumbup:
The site supporter tag isn't showing up under anyone's name right now because the Boss was in the middle of a site upgrade when he started having some severe health problems...:(
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Originally Posted by Ldub
I don't think Larry read this thread :laughing:. I think that counts as harassment
Let me add something here that maybe not everyone knows, but perhaps will put some of this discussion to bed. Scott has been working on a system where those wishing to sell something (VX related of course) on the forum would have to pay a small amt of $$ to post. If you are already a donor to the site, of course you would not have to pay extra. I think its a pretty fair way of handling a touchy situation which seems to illicit good folk to have very different opinions. I ask everyone to practice patience and kindness until Scott can put the system in place.