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Heard the terrible news that 4 police officers were gunned down & killed near Lakewood WA, :nob:....sure hope they get the killer fast.:mado: See that this is very near at least 2 or 3 of our VXers...."Rowhard", "Riff Raff" and "wekilled"...(which sounds really bad right now :nonegray:). Sure hope all your loved ones are safe and they get this guy asap..and I mean GET 'em.
I'm with you!
If the shooter never see's the inside of a courtroom, it's OK with me...:deadgray:
Hope all our VX Fam in the area was/is out of harms way.
grrrrr.....
:confused::confused:Person of interest in police killings had life sentence commuted:confused::confused:
Clemmons has an extensive criminal past - including a lengthy prison sentence commuted by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee nearly a decade ago.
Thank you so very much for your kind words. I personally live and work in Lakewood, WA which is technically a suburb of Tacoma, WA. The City of Lakewood Police Department HQ's is 1-block away from my Tavern and Lakewood City Hall is 1-block away in the other direction. I personally know most of the LPD police officer's by their first names including those that were murdered, as they frequent my Tavern quite often for routine license inspections and routine city code enforcement.
Our very tight-knit community of Lakewood is in pure shock by this overwhelming tragety. Our hearts waver between the deepest of sorrow for the fallen Lakewood Police Officers and then swing to the greatest rage of sheer anger for catching the perpitrator. Luckily, the fourth police officer who was fatally shot was able to get one(1) round off at the suspect before he himself finally collasped and died. His single bullet severely wounded the suspect and his trail of blood has lead police to his known whereabouts. His hide-out dwelling is currently surrounded by a tactical SWAT team and they are just waiting for morning daylight to move in.
This unspeakable crime comes right on the heels of a murdered Seattle Police Officer who was gunned down at point blank range as he was doing paperwork while sitting in his squad car this past Halloween night (his partner was also wounded sitting next to him in the front seat of the police cruiser).
I keep waiting for the world to get better and for society to improve. Until then, I will continue to carry my concealed weapon on me at all times loaded with Black Talon bullets. Perhaps someday, I will be in the right place at the right time and can alter a perpitrator's original plan of attack with one of my own. I look forward to the opportunity.
It's times like this that make me kinda glad I'm the age I am, cause I wonder where this crazyness is headed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moncha
Thoughts and prayers are with you and your community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moncha
... and I'll be waiting for the day when one more of such "carriers" gets crazy and shot innocent people. Or his kids accidentally shot neighborhood dog using his gun.Quote:
I keep waiting for the world to get better and for society to improve. Until then, I will continue to carry my concealed weapon on me at all times loaded with Black Talon bullets. Perhaps someday, I will be in the right place at the right time and can alter a perpitrator's original plan of attack with one of my own. I look forward to the opportunity.
always wanted to see the statistics on how many innocent people were killed by easily accessible weapons vs how many lives were saved by them [easily accessible weapons]
The stats are out there if you look. But the fact of the matter is that the media likes to tell the bad stories most of the time. You rarely hear about crimes stopped by law abiding citizens carrying a concealed weapon. I'm not saying it happens all the time, but when it comes to gun laws, there is unfortunately no middle ground, it's either for or against. I'm no right-wing red-neck, but I do enjoy my freedoms.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZubrAZ
This is America, not the UK, and I support my right to keep, carry and use a firearm. I've said it before and I will say it again- I would rather live in a slightly dangerous FREE country than a boring and tame country were everything is illegal. After they take my guns, they will take my VehiCROSS too.
I hope they catch the P.O.S. and put him through a meat grinder...slowly...with lots of salt.
Bart
I forget who said it but:
" Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
Liberty is a well armed sheep contesting the vote."
When the shooters are found guilty of murder, give them one week and they go to the gas chamber. None of this death row stuff and waiting to die of old age while in prison.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the officers and there families.
ZubraAZ - You are an idiot; shown by your comments. I have a great idea, let’s make guns illegal, I am pretty sure the criminals will turn them in and not create a huge black market for ammunition and guns as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by ZubrAZ
Go get 'em Riff Raff !!!!! :)
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Originally Posted by Mark B
Not even a week. If found guilty you get ONE appeal then it's straight out the back of the courthouse to a firing squad, the hangman, or the chair. I don't give a rats *** about giving a murdering scumbag a humane death. I hope this dirtbag never sees the inside of a courthouse.
You guys are way too generous to this A****hole.
Why should he enjoy a quick death when the families of the 4 officers will suffer for years to come.
This offender should be thrown in a dark cell, never to see daylight again, and fed on bread and water for the rest of his life.
With absolutely no communication, verbal, written, or otherwise.
Let him suffer and linger for a long time.
Now you have seen my dark side.
PK
nfpgasmask, i'll appreciate your efforts if you'll help me to find those stats
This is sad news. :(
I always support the fact that once a individual's criminal behavior becomes cronic it shouldn't be let free at all.
This guys have a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong tale to say when it comes to criminal activities,how dare Mr hukabee can let this bizarre living being out to roam the streets.
I think hukabee & this monster shall be put together to share the same jail room.
To these police officers families my sincere condolences :(
I was thinkin' this sure as heck probably tanks Huckabee's prez aspirations........can you say Dukakis and Willy Horton?
This horrific crime is far too horrible to ever forget....
Ambushed in a diner, not even a chance! Fry 'em! Hang 'em high! I lived in Texas for 12 yrs, and loved every minute of it.....All of the above!
Clemmons shot & killed by Police this morning...:thumbup:
Sounds like up to six or seven of his friends and family were helping him evade police and will now face chargesQuote:
Clemmons shot & killed by Police this morning...
On the Huckabee thing, that has been discussed in the news as well. He came out and said he feels bad about this and feels like he's to blame. But he said that they sent letters out to find out whether the guy's sentence should be commuted to the prosecutor, judge, PD, and two other groups. The judge said he should be commuted, and one of the other groups, the rest did not respond. Huck said he had about 1200 of these a year, and tried to research all of them. The guy was sentenced to 100+ years of prison at the age of 16. The commuted sentence was cut in half I believe, and made him available for parole. Everyone thought the sentence was too heavy, even the judge. So Huckabee listened to their recommendations...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldub
I blame the killer, not Huckabee.
My .02
If only politics was about reasoning and not soundbytes, maybe the general public would share the same opinion in 2012. But somehow I think he'll more likely be portrayed as an irresponsible accessory to murder :(Quote:
Originally Posted by samneil2000
I agree Maverick, the facts will have nothing to do with it come 2012, never does.....Quote:
Originally Posted by vt_maverick
facts & politics rarely go together!
You want good leadership dont elect politicians. Look at it the only experience they have is running for office. Once elected they have no experience doing the job
What with the world ending & all like that, whoever is elected will prolly do the best job ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by VX KAT
You know....having the least amount of time to screw things up will have to be a tremendous advantage...:yesgray:
'Dub for Prez 2K12:bwgy:
NO THANK U ! ! !Quote:
Originally Posted by Triathlete
That job, in spite of all the perks, appears to have a rather large SUCK factor...:yesgray:
Done and done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldub
Unfortunately, my company has blocked all sites related to guns and weapons (go figure, gotta love corporate censorship) so I can't get to any gun sites, but I'm sure if you do a search you will find lots of sites with stories of self defense with a concealed weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZubrAZ
Anyway, somehow this site is open and has some info:
http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/Default.aspx
I guess I just don't understand why there is such a movement against guns. Yes, they are devices designed with a single, clearly defined purpose. But this country was founded on the freedoms many people take for granted. And it was also born of violence. There is no utopia. There never will be, so long as humankind inhabits this planet. And like I said before, a little danger is fun. Who wants to live in a completely sterile society where everything is illegal except TV and video games and fast food???
Sorry, but there is no convincing me that the world can be a better place.
Bart
not if you believe this guy:Quote:
On the Huckabee thing, that has been discussed in the news as well. He came out and said he feels bad about this and feels like he's to blame. But he said that they sent letters out to find out whether the guy's sentence should be commuted to the prosecutor, judge, PD, and two other groups. The judge said he should be commuted, and one of the other groups, the rest did not respond. Huck said he had about 1200 of these a year, and tried to research all of them. The guy was sentenced to 100+ years of prison at the age of 16. The commuted sentence was cut in half I believe, and made him available for parole. Everyone thought the sentence was too heavy, even the judge. So Huckabee listened to their recommendations...
I blame the killer, not Huckabee.
My .02
Pulaski County Prosecutor Larry Jegley, whose office opposed Clemmons' parole in 2000 and 2004, said Huckabee's comments were "red herrings."
"My word to Mr. Huckabee is man up and own what you did," Jegley said
This is not the first person he let out who ended up killing someone.Quote:
If only politics was about reasoning and not soundbytes, maybe the general public would share the same opinion in 2012. But somehow I think he'll more likely be portrayed as an irresponsible accessory to murder
Makes you miss G-Dub doesn't it? I'm pretty sure I read that he let every inmate on death row fry during his tenture as TX governor. No exceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by VXR
x2....Quote:
Originally Posted by nfpgasmask
i would MUCH rather have a chance to protect myself than just be a unarmed moving target.....f-that....
ill keep my guns, and ill keep em close ;)
Hey ZubrAZ, One of the cops shot back, and hit the shooter in the gut. And maybe if others in the restaraunt had guns they could have shot and KILLED the shooter before he got away. . . Go take a gun shooting class or learn about the subject a little more. Your opinion sounds quite uninformed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZubrAZ
Not to pile on but while you are waiting for a legally armed citizen to screw up and accidentally shoot an inocent bystander illegally armed armed felons are shooting and killing people all over the country. Face it the are enough laws on the books about fire arms and other stuff. Its just that criminals do not obey the laws. So new laws limiting law abiding citizens even further will make us easier targets not safer. While more laws may make you feel safer because you ignore the common sense result it is not a reason for me to be less protected.
umm..... every report i heard said that all the officers were armed.......:_thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by djvx
did i hear the wrong report?
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Originally Posted by pbkid
He means what if some of the other patrons had guns. The perp knew the police were armed and used the element of surprise to neutralize them before they could really retaliate. However, if one or more of the cafe's other patrons had been armed, they could have eliminated him then and there. Possibly saving the life of one or more of the officers.
I would love to be able to carry but getting your permit in California takes an act of God.
:crying: really sad. this is the kinda stuff that causes cops to be overly cautious and seem like a-holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by RabidPony
i do believe in statistics. although, i do not have anything to back myself up, i also tend to believe that criminals who kill with weapons (or use weapons for crime), do not get them from stores. to protect themself from easily being tracked, isnt that true? they get guns from different sources
accidental shootings or shootings done by people who go crazy, who being pumped up, lets say, after fist fight, or who take the weapons to brawls to get some confidence (kids in particular) done by those weapons that you can get and that people do get from gun shops.
djvx, good example: 4 armed trained persons were not able to protect themselves (im sorry for them and their families, but it is a fact, they were not). what can you say about regular citizen who does his hundreds shots annually for fun and can aim? is he a protector?! is his gun ownership gonna save his life? I dont think so. But if follow the news, you be sure that to find numerous articles about accidental killings of such owners or their relatives
and im kind of not against the guns, but Iwould rather for much stricter rules to obtain ones, but since there are basically no rules, I'm against them.
My .02 on the subject of gun control comes down to the rather cliche saying, "Gun control means using both hands." I think the laws on firearm ownership should be loosened considerably but with the stipulation of required training. I served proudly in the Marine Corps and was brought up around firearms. I was even an firearms instructor at one point. So, due to my training, I can safely and properly handle any type of weapon from a little BB gun all the way up to antitank missiles and everything in between. Therefore, I feel that I should be able to own pretty much any weapon out there. However, I don't think that some suburbanite who thinks he's hard because he watched Rambo but has never held a weapon in his life, should have access to the same weapons I do.
A good example is how the UK handles licensing of motorcycles. Over there you can't just run down to the dealership and pick up an R1 or a Busa if you're a first time rider. They require you to start small and spend a minimum set amount of time on each class of bike before letting you upgrade your license and move up to the next size. I think treating firearms the same here in the US would ultimately result in a much safer public. Start small, and work your way up. Then once you reach the top bracket, get whatever you want.
The average hunter shoots far more often than the average cop. I would bet the average gun owner does as well. The training received by most police officers is a far lower amountthan you may think. Even those that graduate from a police academy shoot rarely once qualified. Had there been armed patrons they may not have saved the cops lived but I bet they would have saved the cost of the manhunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZubrAZ