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PHO2GR4
02/21/2007, 07:09 PM
Okay, it looks like PowerVault AND Morgan-Tec are out of the VX picture. It's sad, but we must move forward.
I'm considering 'moving forward' to a FlowMaster Extreme Off-Road Muffler, in the black diamond-plate steel. Perfect for an Ebony VX, no?
HOWEVER:
I know nothing about the technical aspects of mufflers. I know what the VX came with, stock...but how does that affect what we can or should do after-market? I mean, I can just buy a single 2.25" in / single 2.25 out model. But is there a benefit or drawback, HP-wise, to going with a larger single in, or a larger single out, or even a dual-out? Will it ruin the engine? Will it get amazingly better gas mileage? Will it do anything at all?
Also: does it matter if I get the single outlet centered or offset?
Thanks all!
morgan-tec
02/21/2007, 10:24 PM
The inlet size wil have no effect on the hp, or noise unlesss you increase the tubing in frnt of the muffler. The outlet is a different story. That will effect the sound level, hp, and tq. You can go to big and you will lose low end tq. But you an not really hurt the engine. You need an offset inlet to line up with the stock pipe. If you use a centered it will hit the frame and or the drive shaft.
I've been using a Borla Turbo #40658 with a 3" Dynatech Vortex insert cone in the exhaust tip & like that combination.
It's fairly quiet at idle & not raspy/ ricey sounding under hard acceleration, but still fairly loud.(I was able to pass the MN state db test last fall while wheeling @ Gilbert, MN OHV park.) :cool:
I found the Borla muffler alone to be too loud for me, so I experimented with a Supertrapp tip for a while, but found that to be too quiet/restrictive & just plain didn't like the way it looked.
The insert cone is perforated & took a bit of hammer work & more than a bit of foul language, to persuade it to take up residence in the tip...hope I never have to remove it.
PHO2GR4
02/22/2007, 09:03 AM
How about this one?
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=FLO%2D42443%2DOR&N=700+115&autoview=sku
Do you think it would be possible to find a matching exhaust tip?
Maganflow XL 3 chambered muffler...
http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shopdisplaycategories.asp?zone=main&id=303
psychos2
02/22/2007, 09:44 AM
In order to use the stock pipes you must get a in / out on the same side. I used a flowmaster 40 series it was the only one I could find the right combination in. shawn
PHO2GR4
02/22/2007, 10:54 AM
Hey, I didn't know that. Thanks, Shawn!
Is it really vital to use the stock pipes? I don't know how much it would cost to have a muffler shop bang around and fit some new pipes to make another muffler work. I've seen some VXs with dual-exhaust set-ups, and I KNOW they had to have some custom piping done.
In order to use the stock pipes you must get a in / out on the same side. I used a flowmaster 40 series it was the only one I could find the right combination in. shawn
I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on that psychos2...mine lines up just right with the front centered & the rear offset.
As they say...there's more-n-one way to skin a cat. ;)
Also, sorry for the insane corrodicity under there...it's been a sloppy cold rotten winter. :mad:
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/DSC00781.JPG
PHO2GR4
02/22/2007, 01:17 PM
Cool! More options!
Again, though, has anyone ever heard of blacked-out exhaust pipes or exhaust tips that might match those diamond-black Flowmaster mufflers? I haven't seen anything like that online...but it sure would look cool on an Ebony VX!
etlsport
02/22/2007, 01:21 PM
carbon fiber?
Cool! More options!
Again, though, has anyone ever heard of blacked-out exhaust pipes or exhaust tips that might match those diamond-black Flowmaster mufflers? I haven't seen anything like that online...but it sure would look cool on an Ebony VX!
:p ...oh yeah, absolutely...my entire exhaust system is blacked out on the INSIDE ! :p
Seriously though...while I think your tip idea would look great, when is the last time anyone has actually looked to see if their muffler matches the tip ? :confused: ;)
psychos2
02/22/2007, 02:00 PM
I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on that psychos2...mine lines up just right with the front centered & the rear offset.
As they say...there's more-n-one way to skin a cat. ;)
Also, sorry for the insane corrodicity under there...it's been a sloppy cold rotten winter. :mad:
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/DSC00781.JPG
Is the stock muffler IN/OUT offset same side ??? Mine was !!! Just makes it easier at the muffler shop. shawn
PHO2GR4
02/22/2007, 02:48 PM
:p ...oh yeah, absolutely...my entire exhaust system is blacked out on the INSIDE ! :p
Seriously though...while I think your tip idea would look great, when is the last time anyone has actually looked to see if their muffler matches the tip ? :confused: ;)
I don't necessarily need the tip to match the muffler. It's just that the muffler itself looks WAY cool. Since the tip is the only visible part, it would be nice it IT looked as cool as the 'hidden' muffler...
Besides, what if I roll my VX in Utah? How embarrassing would it be to have a muffler/tip combo that wasn't color-coordinated?!?
(kidding on that last one.)
So, do they MAKE carbon-fiber exhaust tips?
Ascinder
02/22/2007, 06:49 PM
Why don't you get a normal exhaust tip, an oxy-acetylene torch and a bucket of (used)oil and black oxide coat the tip. It's durable and will be turn out a matte black. You can probably have the guy doing your muffler install do it right there since he should have everything except the used oil on hand. Oh, and by the way, I think that muffler is awesome. I was actually looking at it too a few weeks ago, since mine is about due for one. Let's see how it turns out!!
So, do they MAKE carbon-fiber exhaust tips?
Here are a couple I found on ebay...
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/C-F_TIPS2.jpg
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/C-F_TIPS1.jpg
morgan-tec
02/22/2007, 07:45 PM
You could have any tip powder coated black if that was the look you are going for. Normal powdercoat should be fine or there is high temp stuff for headers.
PHO2GR4
02/23/2007, 08:42 PM
I ordered the Off-Road Extreme muffler today from Summit Racing. This is the first time I've ever ordered anything with the word "Extreme" in the name. (At least it wasn't spelled "X-Treme" or anything trendy...)
Here's the link:
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=FLO%2D42541%2DOR&N=700+0%2B115&autoview=sku
I'll stop by my local muffler shoppe to find out about installation costs and exhaut tip options next week.
djkymar
02/23/2007, 09:09 PM
PHO2GR4 , let us know hows your project going because im really interesting in it. Im actually willing to get duals but will see...
etlsport
02/24/2007, 08:17 AM
i found a 2.25 in 2.5 out muffler made for a monte carlo by dynomax... im thinkin about it, obviously ill need to change out the exhaust tip and pipes after the muffler.. anyone have thoughts on dynomax mufflers?its got hangers on it to fit under the monte carlo that ill probably need to chop off, but how would this new muffler be attached? or do the exhaust hangers on the pipes support the weight of it?
etlsport I was running a Dynomax muffler on my custom dual setup... That was until I blew the muffler up since I need some tuning and I am running to rich. But while I was running it sounded great. I have replaced it with the Magnaflow, but I think the Dynomax sound as good if not better than the Magnaflow.
i found a 2.25 in 2.5 out muffler made for a monte carlo by dynomax... im thinkin about it, obviously ill need to change out the exhaust tip and pipes after the muffler.. anyone have thoughts on dynomax mufflers?its got hangers on it to fit under the monte carlo that ill probably need to chop off, but how would this new muffler be attached? or do the exhaust hangers on the pipes support the weight of it?
If your installer has his poop in a group, he should be able to cut the hanger from the stock muffler & weld it to the new muffler. Or fab a new one to accomidate repositioning.
etlsport
02/24/2007, 09:50 AM
sweet.. thanks for the info guys.. i should probably be doing the install myself (assuming i can find a welder to use) ive got a good track record of doing modding myself so id like to keep it up.. only thing i didnt do on my vx myself is mount my tires
Kenny
02/24/2007, 12:07 PM
If your installer has his poop in a group, he should be able to cut the hanger from the stock muffler & weld it to the new muffler. Or fab a new one to accomidate repositioning.
Yup. They can just re-use the original and tack it onto the new (Morgan-tec) muffler. The original has the rubber isolation too.
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/SUPPORT_01.jpg
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/MORGAN-TEC_MUFFLER_01.jpg
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/DUALS_01.jpg
More pics, sound clips and info of my dual set-up with Morgan-tec muffler here:
http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=9857&highlight=Morgan-tec
djkymar
03/04/2007, 08:21 PM
PHO2GR4
so did you got your new muffler installed or not yet?
PHO2GR4
03/04/2007, 10:33 PM
By happy coincidence, the install is scheduled at Meineke at 7:30 am tomorrow. That's Monday, 3/5.
Damn, that's pretty early for me to be getting out of bed...
Incidentally, the Meineke branch I'm visiting has an auto detail shop RIGHT NEXT DOOR. So we can all expect some updated photos afterwards. This VX looks radically different from when I took delivery of it in December. And by 'different' I mean 'better'! :cool:
(I wanted to wait on the photos until I'd received the front skid plate from Ron/Rudy, but I've given up on that idea. I still can't get an email from him. I had no idea it would take two months or more to get a damn skid plate...)
(Oh well. I ordered it as a Christmas present to my VX. I guess I can use it as a NEXT Christmas present. No worries.)
Also, I took a short video...just for the audio...of my wimpy, wheezing stock muffler today. That way I'll be able to shoot some video/audio of the new Flowmaster tomorrow for comparison. I'll try to remember to do it AGAIN after a couple of months, to see if there's a break-in period for this muffler. If I can figure out how to upload the clips to my gallery, I'll let y'all know when they are available.
PHO2GR4
03/05/2007, 07:16 PM
Well, the muffler has been successfully installed, and I'm very happy with it. The VX now has a much deeper, throaty growl. And it must be my imagination, but the engine SEEMS to have at least a couple more horses now. (I know; wishful thinking.)
The carbon fiber exhaust tip loooks great too! Looks pretty stock next to the Ebony paint.
The throaty growl is so deep, though, that it is causing a loud rattle somewhere underneath. It isn't the muffler; I checked. It's coming from the front half of the undercarriage, and it sounds like it is on the passenger side.
Any ideas?
It was getting pretty dark by the time I got home, so I couldn't take a good look. When I'm out and about tomorrow maybe I'll take it back by Meineke and have them lift it up. Too dark for photos, too, so I'll get images (and sound) up as soon as possible.
djkymar
03/05/2007, 07:34 PM
PHO2GR4
Sounds good cant wait to see some photos and hear some sounds lol
P.S How much was installation and stuff?
Knigh7s
03/05/2007, 07:46 PM
Can we get a sound clip/video?
Ooh and the pictures!
I have a PV2 sitting here that I have yet to install. I don't know what I want to do?!?!
And yes, how much did the install set you back?
PHO2GR4
03/05/2007, 07:47 PM
Installation: $185.
Stuff: Muffler $100 (incl. shippping) Exhaust tip $30 (incl. shipping)
Throaty growl: Priceless
rowhard
03/05/2007, 08:17 PM
Throaty Growl would go nice with my beefy tires, looking forward to seeing and hearing it this weekend.
PHO2GR4
03/05/2007, 08:41 PM
Okay, here is my first attempt at uploading video and audio clips to this website. Please bear with me! I hope it works...
A couple of notes:
1) Stock muffler: self-explanatory. This is what a rusty old muffler sounds like on a 1999 Vehicross.
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8557&cat=500
2) Flowmaster muffler: This is the Off-Road Extreme model from Flowmaster. Ignore the turbine sound at the start...I didn't realize that a jet was flying overhead. Also, listen carefully at 19 seconds and again at just before 30 seconds, and you'll hear the obnoxious rattle. It only happens at one resonance frequency. I must track that down...
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8558
PHO2GR4
03/05/2007, 08:43 PM
Also, look carefully at the videos and you'll see the difference between the tiny, rusty, downward-pointed stock tailpipe VS the new, improved, beefier, horizontally-mounted carbon-fiber exhaust tip.
Sah-WEEEET.
Knigh7s
03/05/2007, 09:13 PM
Sounds nice bro! I might have to check that muffler out!
JHarris1385
03/05/2007, 09:31 PM
Killer
Cant wait to see more than just your rear.
etlsport
03/06/2007, 06:00 AM
sounds really nice.. whats the volume like?
WormGod
03/06/2007, 07:35 AM
Where's my damned bolt up dual kit? This is an outrage. ;)
JHarris1385
03/06/2007, 11:27 AM
I am really considering this now. I think I want to go the cat-back dual route though. But that does sound nice. WOnder how much a cat-back would set me back?
djkymar
03/06/2007, 08:01 PM
sounds really nice. I got same question as etlsport how is the volume?
psychos2
03/06/2007, 09:47 PM
You will see many people turn their heads when you start it up in a parking lot. It sounds like you are starting up some big V8 and they have to look to see what it is. shawn.
PHO2GR4
03/07/2007, 12:15 AM
I'm not going to lie: cabin noise levels are definitely higher. I knew that going in, of course. The VX sounds much meaner now...and after living with it for a couple of days, it DOES seem to have more HP. It gets up to speed sooner, and seems to 'coast' farther when I let up off the gas.
I'm going to have to try some sound-deadening material in the rear cabin. I wanted to do it anyway, but now I've got some real incentive! I'll try removing the rear seat and then really maxing out some RaamMat under the carpet and behind the side panels.
No regrets. I like the new sound.
Mark Miller
03/07/2007, 07:09 PM
Wow, that sounds so good.
Thats on my mod list... just need more money.
WormGod
03/08/2007, 07:51 AM
I had the VX lined up at a local tuner shop in 2 weeks for some "overhaulin" work done, and considered going dual since it was gonna be there for a while.... but I cancelled my appt. My priorities took a wild turn yesterday and I spent the money on some "other" stuff, heh. Guess I have to go back to the old saving up status again.
But that's ok.... I got a great deal on a Chen - Edo era katana and wakizashi. No complaints from me.
Kenny
03/09/2007, 02:55 PM
Well, the muffler has been successfully installed, and I'm very happy with it. The VX now has a much deeper, throaty growl. And it must be my imagination, but the engine SEEMS to have at least a couple more horses now. (I know; wishful thinking.)
The carbon fiber exhaust tip loooks great too! Looks pretty stock next to the Ebony paint.
The throaty growl is so deep, though, that it is causing a loud rattle somewhere underneath. It isn't the muffler; I checked. It's coming from the front half of the undercarriage, and it sounds like it is on the passenger side.
Any ideas?
It was getting pretty dark by the time I got home, so I couldn't take a good look. When I'm out and about tomorrow maybe I'll take it back by Meineke and have them lift it up. Too dark for photos, too, so I'll get images (and sound) up as soon as possible.
I had an anoying rattle underneath too (ya, ya, Insert "I'm surprised you could hear it..." joke here ;)). It turned out to be an O2 sensor. It was still working but something was loose inside it. I would suggest driving her up on blocks and pull out the rubber mallet to try and isolate...
Good luck.
Jolly Roger VX'er
03/09/2007, 05:50 PM
as far as the rattling sound..could it be your heat shields that are on your exhaust pipes near your cats...mine broke off and were hanging on the pipes making a rattling sound...I just scrapped them.
djkymar
03/20/2007, 08:57 PM
will this work for VX?
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=700+400238+320931+115+4294906129&autoview=sku
Why don't you get a normal exhaust tip, an oxy-acetylene torch and a bucket of (used)oil and black oxide coat the tip.
Hey guys, don't mean to butt in, but i read this, and i've never heard of this before, how do you do it? This sounds cool.:cool:
PHO2GR4
04/04/2008, 08:11 AM
will this work for VX?
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=700+400238+320931+115+4294906129&autoview=sku
I have the single-in, single-out Flowmaster Off-Road Extreme. I love it! I'm sure you could work out a way to have another exhaust pipe welded on, but I really don't think you'll need the dual-out feature.
:bgwo:
I have the single-in, single-out Flowmaster Off-Road Extreme. I love it! I'm sure you could work out a way to have another exhaust pipe welded on, but I really don't think you'll need the dual-out feature.
:bgwo:
DOOLZ - R - COOL...:cool:
Joe Isuzu
04/04/2008, 02:02 PM
as far as the rattling sound..could it be your heat shields that are on your exhaust pipes near your cats...mine broke off and were hanging on the pipes making a rattling sound...I just scrapped them.
I agree, check your heat shields, I noticed a ratttling at idle on mine when I first got it and one of the heat shields was practically just lying on the exhaust pipe all loose, very easy to fix
mrtew
04/05/2008, 08:07 PM
I have the single-in, single-out Flowmaster Off-Road Extreme. I love it! I'm sure you could work out a way to have another exhaust pipe welded on, but I really don't think you'll need the dual-out feature.
:bgwo:
I love your video sounds.... that's just what I'm looking for! Would keeping the stock tip be the same if I don't care about looks? You don't say much about your tip except that it's carbon fiber.... where did you find it? Link? You definitely love it after a month? I think I wanna go for it! I can't take that 'car' sound my VX makes any more, especially after test driving an FJCruiser. It's scary ugly but is fast and sounds cool.
Gussie2000
11/08/2008, 03:10 AM
Now i am obsessed with adding two 3A racing performance mufflers,the models are 63-0542
Actually i got a bunch of upgrades in mind such as the sun roof,20x8.5 wheels,tail light & head lights GTS covers,WRX hood scoop from subaru,HID head lights & racing strips decals. :)
Gussie2000
12/13/2008, 09:40 PM
Hey guys i know this thread is kind of old,but since it was concerning mufflers & mods i've been thinking of running two 2.25" pipes & add two 3A racing round mufflers with a 3.50" outlet.
Now,my thoughts are what could be the possible outcome of the sound of two mufflers of this kind on a VX :confused:
I replaced the old OEM muffler for a smaller mufler of the same kind & it sounds very good
But always loved the way those mufflers roars in the honda civic coupe & the acura SXT. ;)
I've seen the JDM VX with this mods & looks very good though. :)
I'll apprettiate all inputs guys ;)
I've planned to have this mod done next month.today i ordered a full set of GTS smoked head & tail light covers,they shall be delivered by the 26th of this month.
Kenny
12/14/2008, 08:47 AM
Myself, I'd consider a crossover "X" pipe if you are considering true duals (3 cylinders per pipe). It'll help blend the exhaust note.
I'm quite curious to hear about your outcome, I was going to try a similar route once upon a time...
Gussie2000
12/14/2008, 01:16 PM
Myself, I'd consider a crossover "X" pipe if you are considering true duals (3 cylinders per pipe). It'll help blend the exhaust note.
I'm quite curious to hear about your outcome, I was going to try a similar route once upon a time...
Yes,it got to be very outstanding the way two of those kind of mufflers would sound;It will also improve the VX already sporty appearance.
After this mod my next task is new wheels & tires, 20x8.5 with 15mm off set is my choice,but i must confirm they'll fit without any lift mods otherwise i'll stick to the 18x8.5. :)
VehiGAZ
12/16/2008, 02:32 PM
Gussie, I'm not sure how much performance you're going to gain with a custom exhaust setup without a supercharger or turbo. If you go to 3.5" pipes, you might even lose performance - oversizing the exhaust too much often reduces torque near idle.
This muffler (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=WLK-17748&N=700+0&autoview=sku) is getting installed on my VX this week.
I finally succumbed to the FlowMaster - I can't stand that thing! It's wonderful at idle, but it's brutally loud at any engine speed above 1500 rpm, inside and out.
Anyone want it? Yours for the cost of shipping...
Gussie2000
12/16/2008, 06:11 PM
Gussie, I'm not sure how much performance you're going to gain with a custom exhaust setup without a supercharger or turbo. If you go to 3.5" pipes, you might even lose performance - oversizing the exhaust too much often reduces torque near idle.
This muffler (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=WLK-17748&N=700+0&autoview=sku) is getting installed on my VX this week.
I finally succumbed to the FlowMaster - I can't stand that thing! It's wonderful at idle, but it's brutally loud at any engine speed above 1500 rpm, inside and out.
Anyone want it? Yours for the cost of shipping...
Yes,3.50" is way too much :o i'll stick to the 2.25 or 2,00" pipe diameter.
Thanks for your advises guys
VehiGAZ
12/18/2008, 05:41 PM
This muffler (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=WLK-17748&N=700+0&autoview=sku) is getting installed on my VX this week.
:clap::jump::clap:
Yay!!! The Dynomax muffler is GREAT! Still louder than stock, but not deafening inside and out like that P.O.S. FlowMaster. I can even hear my supercharger whine again!
Happy-happy! Joy! Joy!
Gussie2000
12/21/2008, 08:19 PM
Guys there's another option i've considering about the dual exhaust i'm about to do in the following weeks.
3A racing mufflers bullet straight model is at the top of my list,but the flowtect mufflers also swing around my mind :rolleyes:
Do any one of guys had ever this muffler installed & if you do how was the outcome ?
I'll hold to the 2,50" diameter pipes,the guys at the shop lifted the VX & suggested me that,they also said never saw a VX before so they were impressed about the exterior design & interior. ( VX moment )
If i decide to go with the 3A RACING they told me that 3,00" outlet is enough So i'll need your expertise to have a decision.
VehiGAZ
12/22/2008, 01:37 PM
3" dual will be too big. Do you mean you want to do a single 3"? If you want dual exhaust, I woudl not go over 2.25" each.
A racing muffler is like having no muffler at all, Gustavo. I honestly don't think you will be happy with it.
Good luck!
Gussie2000
12/22/2008, 05:16 PM
3" dual will be too big. Do you mean you want to do a single 3"? If you want dual exhaust, I woudl not go over 2.25" each.
A racing muffler is like having no muffler at all, Gustavo. I honestly don't think you will be happy with it.
Good luck!
No,no 3,00 " pipes,actually one of the guys called me today sharing few tips after he review the engine's specs. He said no duals at all.
Single pipe each side 2,25".
If i still want the dual each side he said 2,00" is enough because of the back pressure issue.
I'm clear about the pipes,but what about the mufflers ? I do want straight-flow mufflers,but unclear about which one
VehiGAZ
12/24/2008, 10:57 AM
Gustavo,
I would recommend a single 2.5" or 2.75" pipe from where the two pipes from the catalytic convertors merge together. This 2.5" setup made my VX jump off the line - a very nice performance enhancement
I had a FlowMaster Delta 40 or Delta 50 muffler first, but it was just too loud inside. I just replaced it with a Dynomax Super Turbo muffler (see my post above) and I am very happy with it. It still has some bark to it, but it is much quieter inside.
The muffler was like $65 or $70 delivered, and I paid another $225 to have the pipes and the muffler installed.
Good luck!
Gussie2000
12/24/2008, 06:53 PM
Gustavo,
I would recommend a single 2.5" or 2.75" pipe from where the two pipes from the catalytic convertors merge together. This 2.5" setup made my VX jump off the line - a very nice performance enhancement
I had a FlowMaster Delta 40 or Delta 50 muffler first, but it was just too loud inside. I just replaced it with a Dynomax Super Turbo muffler (see my post above) and I am very happy with it. It still has some bark to it, but it is much quieter inside.
The muffler was like $65 or $70 delivered, and I paid another $225 to have the pipes and the muffler installed.
Good luck!
The loud issue wouldn't be a issue for me;My stereo is always pumping hard no matter what. :p
I'll still check those flowmaster muffler to see if i may head that way
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