Its the last day of the month....

[tom4bren]

I agree that this thread should be locked. Not because it's such a controversial subject - but because it has become cyclic to the point of nausium.

I'm happily in the group that feels that this forum is a huge asset to me and am happy to pay the annual dues to keep it up and running. If this site were to ever go away ... I don't even want to think about that!!!

Those who don't feel that they should contribute (financially at least), I can respect your decision while not agreeing with it. Consider your free access a gift from the 300 or so members who do keep the site running with financial contributions (yes, I made up the 300 #, I have no idea how many contribute on a regular basis).

[Y33TREKker]

More comments illustrating once again that hearing, does not equal understanding.

[nfpgasmask]

I think people replying to this thread should have to fill out one of these before they submit their response:



because I swear robots are replying now.

Bart

[LittleBeast]

More comments illustrating once again that hearing, does not equal understanding.

Thank you for defining all of your posts on this thread in one post, really nice of you.

Well thanks for telling us what to expect from all of your posts, we appreciate it, and by we I mean everyone who financially contributes and thus keeps this site up and running :-)

[Y33TREKker]

Thank you for defining all of your posts on this thread in one post, really nice of you.

Well thanks for telling us what to expect from all of your posts, we appreciate it, and by we I mean everyone who financially contributes and thus keeps this site up and running :-)

I'm curious, is there any way of asking for financial contributions that would be acceptable to you?

Sorry Dude, I spent my formitive years in Tennessee. You'll hafta 'splain yourself a little better than that.

(I know this wasn't directed at me specifically when your wrote it t4b, but your most recent comments have so...)

Dang T4B, you've gotten around.....that 'splains alot....I think.....

So what you all are apparently saying is that in an effort to try to understand what I've been saying, you've not bothered to go back and read the explanations I HAVE provided on numerous occasions in these threads, yet you're still trying to say that the ball is in my court to explain what it is I've been saying?

I guess my last comment should have been changed to read.

More comments illustrating once again that not even attempting to hear can obviously only equal never understanding.

[VX KAT]

(I know this wasn't directed at me specifically when your wrote it t4b, but your most recent comments have so...)

So what you all are apparently saying is that in an effort to try to understand what I've been saying, you've not bothered to go back and read the explanations I HAVE provided on numerous occasions in these threads, yet you're still trying to say that the ball is in my court to explain what it is I've been saying?

Umm, are we reading the same words? I was talkin' 'bout T4B moving around /relocating a lot in his lifetime....was nuthin' 'bout hearing, understanding or 'splainin' anything.....

[VXR]

Umm, are we reading the same words?

Umm, nope

[tom4bren]

(I know this wasn't directed at me specifically when your wrote it t4b, but your most recent comments have so...)

I must really be dense today 'cause I don't recall making comments directed at anyone specifically

If you are referring to post #121, then you've misinterpreted what I meant for the general public to hear. I do understand your original points - I just disagree with them ... AND I was talking to the general audience, not anyone in particular.

[BigSwede]

So what you all are apparently saying is that in an effort to try to understand what I've been saying, you've not bothered to go back and read the explanations I HAVE provided on numerous occasions in these threads, yet you're still trying to say that the ball is in my court to explain what it is I've been saying?

No, I've read it. What I have gathered is you seem to feel some sort of intolerable social obligation is placed on you by requests for donations..."moral judgements" you perceive as being placed on you for not donating. So my question still stands: Given that the site does need actual money to exist, what means of requesting donations for such money would be acceptable to you? This is a serious question.

Oh by the way, I haven't contributed either. I don't want you to think I am coming at this from some position of perceived moral superiority.

[Ldub]

No, I've read it. What I have gathered is you seem to feel some sort of intolerable social obligation is placed on you by requests for donations..."moral judgements" you perceive as being placed on you for not donating. So my question still stands: Given that the site does need actual money to exist, what means of requesting donations for such money would be acceptable to you? This is a serious question.

Oh by the way, I haven't contributed either. I don't want you to think I am coming at this from some position of perceived moral superiority.

X2...do tell trek..

As MANY here on the forums, that I consider good friends, also are NOT site supporters, I'm having a hard time to figure out where you get the idea of persecution &/or moral judgement...

Is it all about you?

Have you noticed, that with very few exceptions, YOU are the only one following the beat of that single drum?

[VXR]

Have you noticed, that with very few exceptions, YOU are the only one following the beat of that single drum?

[Y33TREKker]

No, I've read it. What I have gathered is you seem to feel some sort of intolerable social obligation is placed on you by requests for donations..."moral judgements" you perceive as being placed on you for not donating. So my question still stands: Given that the site does need actual money to exist, what means of requesting donations for such money would be acceptable to you? This is a serious question.

Oh by the way, I haven't contributed either. I don't want you to think I am coming at this from some position of perceived moral superiority.

And given you're quoted statement, how you've gathered it is in fact not as I've explained it. That that hasn't stopped you (and others who also still haven't gathered it correctly) from making responses implying I'm the person who doesn't understand what's being said though is only one of the types of responses I've been referring to.

In what seems to have become an exercise in futility though:

Given that the site does need actual money to exist, what means of requesting donations for such money would be acceptable to you?

Requesting donations that include no implied "moral judgements" directed at those who do not donate for whatever reason.

Seriously, is that hard to understand what's being implied by some who donate saying that THEY do so because it's the "right thing to do" while in the same breath describing those who don't as not "getting it"?

Simple as that, and what it would seem MOST would innately consider "acceptable".

The question you SHOULD be asking of some of the members here is why they seem to have such a problem NOT being able to do that.

The problem you'll encounter based on my experiences in these threads (and again, some of these latest responses to even my last comment) seems to be finding even one of the members who do so who is apparently even self-aware enough to realize that they're doing it.

In what seems to have become an exercise in futility though...wait for it...

[VXR]

Requesting donations that include no implied "moral judgements" directed at those who do not donate for whatever reason.

Seriously, is that hard to understand what's being implied by some who donate saying that THEY do so because it's the "right thing to do" while in the same breath describing those who don't as not "getting it"?

Simple as that

X2 well said

[BigSwede]

And given you're quoted statement, how you've gathered it is in fact not as I've explained it.

"Moral judgements" was your statement, not mine.

That that hasn't stopped you (and others who also still haven't gathered it correctly) from making responses implying I'm the person who doesn't understand what's being said though is only one of the types of responses I've been referring to.

Um, OK.

Requesting donations that include no implied "moral judgements" directed at those who do not donate for whatever reason.

This is an online forum. Nobody here is in position to judge anybody, other than as a peer would in any social situation.

Seriously, is that hard to understand what's being implied by some who donate saying that THEY do so because it's the "right thing to do" while in the same breath describing those who don't as not "getting it"?

Simple as that, and what it would seem MOST would innately consider "acceptable".

You seem overly sensitive to simple salesmanship. You are being sold all the time. From TV ads implying you are smart for driving car X, to Girl Scout selling cookies, to public radio pledge drives, you are being sold. Requests for donations are the same thing. People are trying to convince you there is something of value in exchange for your money.

What you seem to feel is some sort of judgement is nothing more than salesmanship. The fact that the salesmen in question are "volunteers" doesn't give them any special status, unless you make it so.

[BigSwede]

More comments illustrating once again that hearing, does not equal understanding.

I'm curious, is there any way of asking for financial contributions that would be acceptable to you?

Man, pledge drives on public television must drive you nuts.