Since no one seems to have mentioned it........

[vt_maverick]

8 years of (senile) Reagan, 4 years of (read my lips...no new taxes)Papa Bush,8 years of (Mission Accomplished)Bush
20 years vs 1 year

The best kind of "facts." Calls names and forgets 8 years of history.

[Scott Harness]

The best kind of "facts." Calls names and forgets 8 years of history.

8 years of (Sex Machine) Clinton...insert James Brown voice "Good God Almighty...Hey"
You didn't have time to go back read history...Did you?
Did you forget about those people spending millions and lots of time talking about nothing (stains,black dresses, cigars)
The biggest waste of time in modern history...except for invading Iraq
ps Clinton left biggest surplus in history(even if some figures were manipulated)
As I said in first post It's the MONEY and Republicans Know money and keep it.
I'm not for redistributing wealth...but what's wrong with helping out your fellow man ps you can't poke me with a stick. I rarely get angry

[ZEUS]

I think 1 year is plenty of time to get a feel for a President. By this time when GWB was Prez, he started a war based on lies and personal agenda, effectively pulling on the heart strings of those naive enough to buy into it... if you didn't buy into it you were a labeled a Freedom Fries eating traitor. Of course, we put Hussein in power in the first place, what Prez was in charge at that time? Oh and we trained Bin Laden too... we're on a roll! Don't get me wrong, I love my country, I love the land, but I have little faith in the human bean and I think I have good reason. At least O's administration isn't labeling it's citizens traitors for disagreeing with them.

Otherwise, I like what Bart said about being pro-choice and pro-whatever at the same time. The black and white extremes of our flawed system gives us the opp for the great hypocrisy of saying with a straight face and passion, "I am pro-life AND pro-war." Really, I mean really? Belonging to those ridiculous labels only sells yourself short and makes you look retarded... and I know about looking retarded! BTW, have you noticed anything interesting about TV or radio programs biased toward R or D? Why is it all the R-geared shows are run by raging hotheads having heart attacks while the D-geared shows are always comedy-oriented entertainment?

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

BTW, have you noticed anything interesting about TV or radio programs biased toward R or D? Why is it all the R-geared shows are run by raging hotheads having heart attacks while the D-geared shows are always comedy-oriented entertainment?

So I put it to you my fellow americans.Would you rather laugh or have a heart attack?....I think it's because republicans are so stupid it's funny. Rush Limbaugh did not have a heart attack, you have to have a heart for that.

[tom4bren]

I think it's because republicans are so stupid it's funny.

And people who put their blind faith in a charismatic black man with questionable job skills are ... ???

[nfpgasmask]

And people who put their blind faith in a charismatic black man with questionable job skills who came from one of the most corrupt state governments in the Union are... ???

There, Tom, I fixed it for you.

Bart

[tom4bren]

[Marlin]

Wow, I have the solution. Lets get rid of electoral votes for presidential elections, and county lines for state elections, every candidate gets the same campaign money and equivalent time slots on tv. That would mean 100% popular vote only. That would completely eliminate the chances of a democrat whiny liberal hippy or a tight assed, close minded Republican ever winning again. Right now, if you live in Utah and you are liberal, your vote does not count. Same as a conservative in Vermont. Open it up to allow everyone's vote to be the same, and then you will see an election. Make the vote not by name, but rather by policy. You have to answer questions correctly about your selection, or else your vote is null and void. I like the Starship Troopers concept of earning citizenship. It should be something that is only given to those willing to accept the responsibility that comes with it.
Obama has done nothing, and even received a Nobel Prize for it, one he was nominated for before he even took office!!!!
Health care for all will never work, you can threaten to fine those who do not purchase health care insurance, but good luck with that, like suing an illegal immigrant when they wreck into you car. Let me know how that goes.
One thing I cannot figure out is how that idiot Pelosi gets reelected?!!!!!! I hope she enjoys her last term, but as mentioned before, she will be independently wealthy when she leaves office...good riddance.
I know it was a hodge podge rant, but there is not near enough time to talk about how screwed up the system is right now.

[nfpgasmask]

Exactly, it's such a joke I hardly pay attention anymore...unless I am watching The Colbert Report.

Bart

[Scott Harness]

Exactly, it's such a joke I hardly pay attention anymore...unless I am watching The Colbert Report.

Bart

HA! I think it was night before last on Colbert or The Daily Show.They had a black guy on there talking about "The Magic Negro Effect"
How people thought Obama was going to make everything perfect. FUNNY!!

[Stephen Biko]

Otherwise, I like what Bart said about being pro-choice and pro-whatever at the same time.

Except those things are precisely the hot-button topics that the parties use to disguise the fact that on 99% of everything else - the topics that matter in the day-to-day life of the majority of the population - the parties are identical. It's like the old Douglas Adams bit about voting for the wrong lizard...

[An extraterrestrial robot and spaceship has just landed on earth. The robot steps out of the spaceship...]

"I come in peace," it said, adding after a long moment of further grinding, "take me to your Lizard."

Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages.

"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."

"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"

"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

"I did," said Ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"

"What?"

"I said," said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, "have you got any gin?"

"I'll look. Tell me about the lizards."

Ford shrugged again.

"Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them," he said. "They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."

BTW, have you noticed anything interesting about TV or radio programs biased toward R or D? Why is it all the R-geared shows are run by raging hotheads having heart attacks while the D-geared shows are always comedy-oriented entertainment?

Olberman seems like a raging hot-head to me. And while Colbert is out-right liberal, The Daily Show tries - sometimes at the expense of actually being funny - to be equal opportunity.

[nfpgasmask]

Except those things are precisely the hot-button topics that the parties use to disguise the fact that on 99% of everything else - the topics that matter in the day-to-day life of the majority of the population - the parties are identical.

I guess for a lot of it, yes, but then why do we have some parties trying to outlaw guns and some trying to outlaw stem cell research?

Really the only thing that effects the majority's day-to-day life are economical issues. Do we have jobs? Are gas and food prices going up? Can I afford a house? How much taxes do we pay?

Bart

[Stephen Biko]

I guess for a lot of it, yes, but then why do we have some parties trying to outlaw guns and some trying to outlaw stem cell research?

Because those are hot button topics that people easily get riled up about and provide excellent distraction from the humdrum but really important stuff.

Really the only thing that effects the majority's day-to-day life are economical issues. Do we have jobs? Are gas and food prices going up? Can I afford a house? How much taxes do we pay?

Yes precisely - its the economy and how massively over-manipulated it is due to lobbying. All those things you named fall out from the economic policies - or rather bazillions of exceptions and special-cases - that corps get in return for their dollars. Dollars that are pretty evenly split between both parties.

[Ldub]

Here's a little something for both sides to wrap your brain around......

http://www.rense.com/general89/pelos.htm

[Marlin]

Here's a little something for both sides to wrap your brain around......

http://www.rense.com/general89/pelos.htm

I wonder if it is crewed by military personnel, and if so, how many times have they joked about throwing her out the window?