Tone's headlight bulbs: fuse issue

[WormGod]

Sounds like a possible fuse issue then. I'll try switching out the 10ampers and seeing how 15's go. I wondered when I installed the new bulbs if there was gonna be a fuse issue with stock 10's. Guess that answered my inquiry, heh. I don't imagine the stock wiring will have any issues with the higher, yet still low current.

In all, I think I narrowed down the issue. Messing around with it some more, it looks likeif you start the vehicle with the lights already on, the fises will blow. I got it to happen 2 out of 2 times. Also, flashing highbeams rapidly WITH THE LIGHTS OFF it blew them 3 out of 3 times. So ya, it looks like those bulbs are dragging more current through the pipeline than the fuses can handle. I will try these same tests with some 15's.... once I pick up some more fuses, heh.

[djkymar]

Of couse they dragging more power cuz they are 100/90w instead stock ones which is 60/55w if i remember but with 15 amp fuses they fine i alredy did those test that you describe and they all pass. In your case your lights shot off at night mine shot off when i was driving and it was cold, rain and windy but i was lucky i have extra fog lights so i had to somehow make them point on road so i can at least see something and drive the rest of 10 miles home and then on next day got new 15 amp fuses.

[Mr. I-MAN]

I would suggest adding a relay setup to each headlight harness. Run the higher amp draw of the two beams off GND and the Positive terminal of the battery, and use the + and - from the offending beam to trigger the coil between connector 85 & 86 on the relay and run the Postive from battery with a 15 amp in-line fuse(14-12 awg wire minimum) to 87 and 87a to the headlight this should solve your problems, without haveing to up the fuse amp which can lead to a serious fire hazard. They should have came with a relay, so should his HID kits.

Just my 2 cents

[Tone]

I ran 120w bulbs until I got the HIDs and the wires don't even get warm - just use 15a fuses and you'll be fine, Direct wiring as discussed below will make them brighter though. HIDs don't need relays as they are only 35w - do the math.

Stock bulbs are 55w low / 60 high - I'll start sending 15a fuses with them.

[djkymar]

Tone
at least send a paper saying that you need switch your 10 amp fune on 15 that would be enought but if you will send 2 15 amp fuses with that will be amazing.

just my 2...

[WormGod]

I ran 120w bulbs until I got the HIDs and the wires don't even get warm - just use 15a fuses and you'll be fine, Direct wiring as discussed below will make them brighter though. HIDs don't need relays as they are only 35w - do the math.

Stock bulbs are 55w low / 60 high - I'll start sending 15a fuses with them.

Tested and tried last night. I ran these things through the wringer and no issues. Wires stayed cool, fuses remained intact, no issues.

I apologise to Tone for making this inquiry public, but since others had the same issues, this will remain a good Search location for future use. Needless to say, these are great bulbs and for an additional $0.30 for fuses at your local auto parts store, they are still a steal.

[Mr. I-MAN]

I ran 120w bulbs until I got the HIDs and the wires don't even get warm - just use 15a fuses and you'll be fine, Direct wiring as discussed below will make them brighter though. HIDs don't need relays as they are only 35w - do the math.

Stock bulbs are 55w low / 60 high - I'll start sending 15a fuses with them.

I did the math! I was not trying downplay your product or product knowledge I was just suggesting some extra insurance/permormance.

Here is a excerpt from HID forums.

Imagine that we connect the HID ballast directly to where the low beam halogen bulb is connected. Some vehicles might be are able to power up HID systems normally without problems at install time. Most probably, it will not last long. The inrush load can be up to max 13 amps per ballast, compared to 7amps inrush when using halogen. The factory design parameters for headlight curcuit is 7 amps inrush and 4.5 amps continous load. So over time, connectors, multifunction switch, headlight switch, wiring and fuse holders will slowly degrade, beacuse of heat buildup. These components are very time consuming to troubleshoot becuse they are usully well hidden behind dashboards and other wiring looms. Parts easily reaches several hundered dollars. Add 8h labour to that and it becomes obvious that a $50 wiring harness is a cheap insurance.

[JHarris1385]

Yup just replaced the headlights with tone's and they blew the fuses. Off to get some 15's. WOuld have been nice if they were included.

[johnnyapollo]

Funny - way back on the ClubVMag forum there was a long discussion about using 15A fuses if the bulbs are upgraded. It's coming back around ...

-- John

[VXR]

Here is a excerpt from HID forums.

Imagine that we connect the HID ballast directly to where the low beam halogen bulb is connected. Some vehicles might be are able to power up HID systems normally without problems at install time. Most probably, it will not last long. The inrush load can be up to max 13 amps per ballast, compared to 7amps inrush when using halogen. The factory design parameters for headlight curcuit is 7 amps inrush and 4.5 amps continous load. So over time, connectors, multifunction switch, headlight switch, wiring and fuse holders will slowly degrade, beacuse of heat buildup. These components are very time consuming to troubleshoot becuse they are usully well hidden behind dashboards and other wiring looms. Parts easily reaches several hundered dollars. Add 8h labour to that and it becomes obvious that a $50 wiring harness is a cheap insurance.

Do not use any other bulbs power than stock unless you add relays!!!

While plus is supplied through relay, the ground wire is going to the dimmer under the steering wheel, so the contacts on the dimmer will quickly blow out, especially when you switch from low to high beam frequently. By installing additional relay instead of the lamp you can improve also the output from the stock bulbs because of the voltage is dropped on the long wire to the steering wheel and back to the ground.

Thinking of getting some 100/90w bulbs on ebay but these warnings are making me think twice. Just curious if people are still running these without any problems?

[MSHardeman]

I had a set of bulbs that I got from Tone in my VX for more than a year (I have HID's now) and the only thing I did was to upgrade the 10 amp fuses in the fuse box to 15 amps and never had a problem. I don't remember the wattage of the bulbs, but I still have them so I could check tonight if you need me to.