Another Lambo Door Question

[Baldwin]

Ok ... I've seen most of the postings on vertical/lambo/scissor doors. With my new CD release (myspace.com/onlywon) and my vx being featured on the back of the CD, posters, and the new video set to release later this year (hopefully nationwide), is there ANYONE that's actually bit the bullet and done this? It's got the perfect hip hop image and people in the music industry as telling me it would be a great way to attract even more attention...which is always a good thing in the entertainment industry.

Baldwin (aka: Only Won)

[thedutchguy]

is there ANYONE that's actually bit the bullet and done this?

We're letting you be the first!

Being the first is waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy cooooooooooooooool.

[Ldub]

Survey Seeeeez.....photoshop!

[transio]

Lambo doors aren't hip-hop. They're cheap puerile ricer. On any car not designed to have scissor doors, the motion to open and close the doors is confusticated. You have to push it out, then lift, and the door bounces around. Then, the door covers up half of the opening, making it a pain in the *** to get in and out of the vehicle. All in all, they're just dumb.

If you want a hip-hop image, get a Chrysler 300 and chrome paint it, or better yet, get a black one and pinstripe it like the Exige Espionage. Hip hop is about looking bling but clean. Not about looking stupid.

If you want vertical doors on the VX, the only way to do it properly is to go with gullwings. But good luck with that, unless you've got $10k+ to dump into the project.

[Baldwin]

That lotus IS sweet. Hey, hip hop is about bein' true as well as unique. Bling is just a superficial way of telling people what you wanna be. Truth about me is I'm not Bling, but I do have a VX. Points are well taken though. THose hotwheels posted earlier looked pretty good to me. Hmm...would it look stupid to just do 1 door? Probably huh? The thing with the bolt on, if it sux, I can put the door back right?

[kpaske]

I'm personally not a fan of Lambo or Gullwing doors. The idea was unique for high-end luxury sport-car toys, but the VX already has a unique futuristic look. If you want to "bling" it out, drop the suspension, put on 24's and tons of chrome, trick out the paint job, recover the seats and panels with the skin of an exotic animal (how about ostrich?), and put a wall of subs behind the rear seat. Look at some of the highly modded VXes on this site and you'll see that you don't need funky doors to get attention from your VX. Just my 2 cents.

[JAFO]

Lambo doors aren't hip-hop. They're cheap puerile ricer. On any car not designed to have scissor doors, the motion to open and close the doors is confusticated. You have to push it out, then lift, and the door bounces around. Then, the door covers up half of the opening, making it a pain in the *** to get in and out of the vehicle. All in all, they're just dumb.
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This depends on the kit, quality, and type of car. Some kits are too loose, allowing more movement to swing out. The butterfly look.

If it is done well the doors can be opened completely, straight up, with zero obstruction. This would be especially better in todays small parking spaces were you have no room to open the door.

Also it is not rice it is German and Itailan. I generally think that long thin doors look better vertical, ie Lamborghini Countach, than square but it still look good if done right.

[JAFO]

Koenigsegg's Dihedral Synchro Helix doors.

[transio]

If it is done well the doors can be opened completely, straight up, with zero obstruction.

Incorrect. A door that is not designed to open vertically must first open outwards a few inches, then vertically, to clear the frame. Likewise, to close it, you must first pull it down, then inwards to engage the latch. True scissor doors open on a single axis of movement.

Also it is not rice it is German and Itailan.

I'm not talking about the invention, I''m talking about the imitation. It is "rice" not because of its origination, but because of its function (or lack thereof)

I generally think that long thin doors look better vertical, ie Lamborghini Countach, than square but it still look good if done right.

[Tone]

I don't see how this really changes the image of the VX - the doors will look the same and many of the kits allow for normal opening in addition to up. I can think of lots of times that kind of door would come in handy. And if you really think about it instead of going with you gut reaction that it is ricer (due to your limited exposure to them in person or in the media) then they very much fit with the VX look and image. I saw a sweet SL500 last time I went to the track and ricer never crossed my mind. I think that is a state of mind and predjudice.

[transio]

you gut reaction that it is ricer (due to your limited exposure to them in person or in the media) then they very much fit with the VX look and image.

It's not my "gut" reaction - it's my intellectual perception. Scissor doors and gullwings serve a purpose. They are designed to ease entry into cars that have high & wide sills due to frame components, which are designed to add rigidity to the chassis. The Vehicross has no such frame components. Its chassis is not designed to be rigid, because it's not a race car. Therefore, the purpose of scissor doors is nil, and they don't, in fact, "very much fit with the VX look".

If, however, you were to cut the doors in half at the cladding line and introduce a rollcage/frame inside the bottom half to increase rigidity, and cut your roof in half and make gullwings, then you would be increasing the functionality of the vehicle and creating a purpose for the vertical doors. This is what I plan to do with my next VX.

Understand that the difference is between function and kitsch. One is cool because of how and why it works, and the other is pathetic, because it attempts to imitate the "cool" while providing no functionality, and in fact often decreasing functionality. In the car world, "kitsch" is called "ricer".

I saw a sweet SL500 last time I went to the track and ricer never crossed my mind. I think that is a state of mind and predjudice.

Are you sure it wasn't a Mercedes/McLaren SLR? That car looks a lot like an SL with a body kit, and has gullwing doors because it's an exotic car with very high/wide sills, and therefore needs them for ease of ingress and egress.

[JAFO]

It's not my "gut" reaction - it's my intellectual perception. Scissor doors and gullwings serve a purpose. They are designed to ease entry into cars that have high & wide sills due to frame components, which are designed to add rigidity to the chassis. ...

The Lotus Elise has high and wide sills but still uses standard outward swinging doors.

[transio]

The Lotus Elise has high and wide sills but still uses standard outward swinging doors.

Right. And if you had ever gotten in or out of one with the top on, you would understand the purpose of vertical doors. The Lotus Elise has a serious design flaw in poor ingress/egress. Of course, it was originally designed as an open-top roadster. With the hard top in place, though, getting in and out is seriously debilitating. So much so that there's an aftermarket company that started making gullwing hardtops to make it easier to get in and out.

[kpaske]

Right. And if you had ever gotten in or out of one with the top on, you would understand the purpose of vertical doors. The Lotus Elise has a serious design flaw in poor ingress/egress.

So does the VX - it should have had two suicide doors for the rear passengers. If the Lambo or Gullwing doors address this flaw, then they become functional by your definition.

Actually, the mods are intended to mimic other mods that actually DO improve performance, like upgraded brake calipers (often painted bright colors by the manufacturer to help market their products) and aftermarket race wheels (which are often powdercoated, anodized, or painted black to decrease maintenance for brake dust cleanup). The idea behind painted calipers and wheels is to get the "racy look" without actually improving performance. They are, therefore, "rice" to the core.

Actually, since I know jack ***** about race cars, when I painted *my* calipers the intent was purely aesthetic - I think the blue paint helps to draw attention to the wheels and rotors and the contrasting colors just look nice. It *IS* purely aesthetic and was never intended to "mimic" anything. However, for the most part I agree with you. Most true "ricers" likely do it to make a regular 4 banger look like a tuner car.