Acura NSX

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The NSX has stricking looks, but you might as well get the accord 2dr with the largest engine and put a body kit on it and save $30k......

Sorry, but I always laugh to myself when I hear things like this. The NSX has some of the better handling characteristics of recent cars. Even if you got an Accord, stripped it to 2500 pounds, turbocharged it to 350 hp, dropped it 2", and added an uber-stiff suspension and aero kit:

1. It would not be as fast as an NSX, because it will always have a higher drag coefficient and greater frontal area.
   
   
2. It would not handle nearly as well as an NSX, because it has a high center of mass, narrower stance, and poor weight distribution (fore to aft). Oh, and the NSX's suspension is tuned by some of the finest engineers in the world, with a multi-million dollar budget - not by some guy in his garage with a $500 budget.
   
   
3. It would maybe accelerate better in a quarter mile, but unless your a FnF ricer, you know that's a meaningless figure
   
   
4. It would have no interior to speak of, would rattle, squeak, and scrape, and you couldn't take out a date in it unless she wants to sit on the floorpan, because you had to remove the passenger seat to cut weight.
   
   
5. Now that you're driving a highly tuned car, you'd have to check the oil every time you drive it to make sure you don't have excess oil comsumption. Check and recheck your tune to make sure you're not running rich... or worse... lean! Check your turbo to make sure all your hoses are in good condition and no leaks... etc. etc.

So no, a $30k Accord with $20k of mods will NEVER be an $80k NSX. An Accord with $50k of mods STILL won't be an NSX. What's the expression about a turd in a dress?

[JHarris1385]

Wow this is great. First of all the NSX only has 290hp congrats to Acura for making an attempt and an exoctic car.....I have a weekend/summer car that has comparable hp for way less. The fact is you can get more for your money. Thanks...

[moon buggy]

the scary thing is with NSX / VX, even tho I spent mmm nearly 4x $ on the NSX.....both cars pull as much admiration, enquiry and attention..also VX is 97 and NSX 93...both shapes bely their age which confounds most admirers...the VX never draws -ve comment like some have re the NSXs capability, supercar status, etc etc...but that said most on lookers [with an opinion] re the NSX once they get close up admire it for what it is [ hand built, all alloy, go thru the long list.. blah blah]..and then get to sit in belt up and then get to have a quick strap around the block and throw in a few twisty bits they can't help but to start to smile..the 'critical' acclaim is dissolved with delivery...and yes there are plenty of quicker, etc etc cars now on the market, but back in its day the NSX certainly caused the F and P guys to smarten up their game.

In the end VX / NSX are unique examples Japanese style/engineering/ etc..and thats what I love about the both of them.

[blacksambo]

the scary thing is with NSX / VX, even tho I spent mmm nearly 4x $ on the NSX.....both cars pull as much admiration, enquiry and attention..also VX is 97 and NSX 93...both shapes bely their age which confounds most admirers...the VX never draws -ve comment like some have re the NSXs capability, supercar status, etc etc...but that said most on lookers [with an opinion] re the NSX once they get close up admire it for what it is [ hand built, all alloy, go thru the long list.. blah blah]..and then get to sit in belt up and then get to have a quick strap around the block and throw in a few twisty bits they can't help but to start to smile..the 'critical' acclaim is dissolved with delivery...and yes there are plenty of quicker, etc etc cars now on the market, but back in its day the NSX certainly caused the F and P guys to smarten up their game.

In the end VX / NSX are unique examples Japanese style/engineering/ etc..and thats what I love about the both of them.

We ought to have the first VX/NSX meet in Australia at Dave's place, he's the quintissential spokseperson for this Japanese tour de force engineering and design team.

[Triathlete]

All those NSX owners are officially invited to my next meet...Nov.11!

[blacksambo]

If you want the real scoop on the NSX, just read this. You will see what I've been driving at!

http://research.cars.com/go/crp/rese...=&aff=national

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If you want the real scoop on the NSX, just read this. You will see what I've been driving at!

http://research.cars.com/go/crp/rese...=&aff=national

That article is 16 years old.

This page is a lot more telling: http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonb...times/thestig/

The NSX TYPE R (the "super" NSX) is #55 on the list of Top Gear Lap Times!! FIFTY FIVE!!! That's 25 spots below a base Corvette...

You wanna talk about great performance cars in its price range, look at the Corvette Z06, Lambo Gallardo, Ferrari 360 CS, Lotus Exige S, Noble M12, Noble M15, TVR Sagaris, TVR Tuscan, BMW Z4, Porsche Cayman, and OMG Ariel Atom ($60k as configured, and #5 on the list, only falling behind four million-dollar supercars!)

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Wow this is great. First of all the NSX only has 290hp congrats to Acura for making an attempt and an exoctic car.....I have a weekend/summer car that has comparable hp for way less. The fact is you can get more for your money. Thanks...

More HP isn't always more. That's an American misconception about automotive performance. My sports car has only 190 hp (Lotus Elise), and even at that, it's more car than I can handle...

[MZ-N10]

Sorry, but I always laugh to myself when I hear things like this. The NSX has some of the better handling characteristics of recent cars. Even if you got an Accord, stripped it to 2500 pounds, turbocharged it to 350 hp, dropped it 2", and added an uber-stiff suspension and aero kit:

1. It would not be as fast as an NSX, because it will always have a higher drag coefficient and greater frontal area.
   
   
2. It would not handle nearly as well as an NSX, because it has a high center of mass, narrower stance, and poor weight distribution (fore to aft). Oh, and the NSX's suspension is tuned by some of the finest engineers in the world, with a multi-million dollar budget - not by some guy in his garage with a $500 budget.
   
   
3. It would maybe accelerate better in a quarter mile, but unless your a FnF ricer, you know that's a meaningless figure
   
   
4. It would have no interior to speak of, would rattle, squeak, and scrape, and you couldn't take out a date in it unless she wants to sit on the floorpan, because you had to remove the passenger seat to cut weight.
   
   
5. Now that you're driving a highly tuned car, you'd have to check the oil every time you drive it to make sure you don't have excess oil comsumption. Check and recheck your tune to make sure you're not running rich... or worse... lean! Check your turbo to make sure all your hoses are in good condition and no leaks... etc. etc.

So no, a $30k Accord with $20k of mods will NEVER be an $80k NSX. An Accord with $50k of mods STILL won't be an NSX. What's the expression about a turd in a dress?

yea an accord will be an accord no matter wat, and a honda is still a honda no matter how much u paid for it. the nsx might be designed, engineered by some of the best engineers in the world but they were probably the same enginners that designed the accord.

its a common misconception that cheaper "people movers" cant be fast. a well tuned accord could easily beat a stock nsx, and still have money left over to buy a civic for communting.

but the point still stands, a over priced 80k honda with nice lines is still over priced honda.

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the nsx might be designed, engineered by some of the best engineers in the world but they were probably the same enginners that designed the accord.

No. The NSX was performance tuned by Honda Racing engineers. Even if they WERE the same guys, though, the Accord was designed for comfort, the NSX for performance.

its a common misconception that cheaper "people movers" cant be fast. a well tuned accord could easily beat a stock nsx

But beat it AT WHAT?? You can make a cargo van do a quarter mile in 9 seconds... but it will never outperform an NSX on a road course... because it CAN'T TURN. The Accord has a similar problem, to a lesser degree. The NSX is designed for all aspects of performance. Having an Accord with 600 hp is like a muscle man with all his weight in his upper body. Sure, he can benchpress 600 pounds, but he can barely stand up under his own weight!

Too many people today believe that 1/4 mile times are the singular factor in determining a car's performance ability. For those who don't already know this, lemme let you in on a secret: "The Fast and the Furious" is all hype and garbage. 1/4 mile racing and drifting are not determining factors of a sports car. The "sport" in "sports car" is racing - on a road course. That means a course with turns in it. Your Accord may do a 10 second quarter mile, but it turns like a cargo van. I don't care if it goes 200 mph... it will never be a sports car.

[MZ-N10]

The NSX stayed virtually the same over 15 years - I think the only major change was the deletion of the popup headlights. The Honda S2000 is going on 8 years with no real changes.

the nsx has gone through more then just headlight changes. in 95/96, they added powersteering, replaced the old 3.0L with a 3.2L, and tweek the suspension a bit. the honda s2000 too has gotten a new 2.2L in i believe 2003 to give it alittle more torque to compete with the then new 350Z.

the nsx is nothing but ABNORMAL. name another japanese car that is worth more then the nsx. the skyline gtr r34 was only about 60-70 in japan, rx7/8 about 50, evos/sti 30-40, ls400 60.

No. The NSX was performance tuned by Honda Racing engineers. Even if they WERE the same guys, though, the Accord was designed for comfort, the NSX for performance.

good atleast u put down TUNED by honda racing engineers. the car is none the less a honda, made to be mass marketed. sure the nsx is a great car, but its not any better/special then say a lancer evo, or a toyota supra or even a civic. yes, thats right there a honda racing tuned civic, its called the civic type r. the old EK civic(97-00 i believe) each engine was hand polished, extra cooling ducts were added into the engine, suspension completely tuned. sounds like racing tuned to me.

But beat it AT WHAT?? You can make a cargo van do a quarter mile in 9 seconds... but it will never outperform an NSX on a road course... because it CAN'T TURN. The Accord has a similar problem, to a lesser degree. The NSX is designed for all aspects of performance. Having an Accord with 600 hp is like a muscle man with all his weight in his upper body. Sure, he can benchpress 600 pounds, but he can barely stand up under his own weight!

Too many people today believe that 1/4 mile times are the singular factor in determining a car's performance ability. For those who don't already know this, lemme let you in on a secret: "The Fast and the Furious" is all hype and garbage. 1/4 mile racing and drifting are not determining factors of a sports car. The "sport" in "sports car" is racing - on a road course. That means a course with turns in it. Your Accord may do a 10 second quarter mile, but it turns like a cargo van. I don't care if it goes 200 mph... it will never be a sports car.

your right, 1/4 mile and drifting aren't benchmarks for cars. but they do play a critical role in determining a good sports car from a not so good. sure a lotus extige can corner, but what happens if your racing on a nascar track? how about if you took a nascar and try to race it on infineon? its all about balance.

the accord is a people mover, i never said it wasnt. but with the right modifications u can make out manuver, out drag and out stop a nsx. well just use this as a picture reference.
http://www.spoonsports.us/photo_gall...031_LG_jpg.htm


Horsepower:

N/A
the new tsx/accord runs a k24 engine(rated 205hp), which has a similar to that of a rsx-s. with swapped heads from a type-s, intake, exhaust and flashed ecu, this engine could easily hit 240hp+. someone here did 225WHP with only flashed ecu+exhaust.

Force
Example of SCed k24 link
Accord 2.4 bottom end (9.5:1 compression)
RSX-S head
Japanese Integra Type R camchafts
RC 550 saturated injectors
RSX-S six speed gearbox
Jackson Racing race headers and test pipe
Short ram intake
5 Zigen catback
Stock fuel pump and stock fuel pressure
268WHP

Braking:
NSX
Braking 60–0 134 ft (RT)

Accord
Braking 60-0 142ft (MSN Auto)

8ft difference in braking form 60, im sure a big brake kit will recitify that problem.

Handling:
this one gets tricky, because different people perfer different types of cars and driving styles, i will use a skidpad for comparision.
NSX
0.91g (RT)
TSX
0.78g (RT)

Ouch, .13g skid pad difference. I wont try to blame this huge difference on condition, blah blah blah. instead lets just look at all the suspension/tire upgrade done on this accord.

Swift Front/rear springs, coilovers
Showa Race Front and rear Shocks
Custom weilded rear anti roll stablizer bars
Spoon fron strut brace
6" front lowering
5" rear lowering
Advan 032R tires

the lowering on this car might be a tad bit too excessive, but even with a 2" front rear drop, the accord is more then capable of doing .85g skid pad(guesstamation)

Now look at our THEROTICAL accord. It has more power then a NSX, better braking, and posibably better handling too.

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the nsx has gone through more then just headlight changes. in 95/96, they added powersteering, replaced the old 3.0L with a 3.2L, and tweek the suspension a bit. the honda s2000 too has gotten a new 2.2L in i believe 2003 to give it alittle more torque to compete with the then new 350Z.

I was talking about design changes.

[MZ-N10]

I was talking about design changes.

Design changes

1995- NSX-T was added into the line.
1997- New aluminium body
2002- All aluminium construction, COMPLETE style redesign.
2004- REDESIGNED shift knob

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2002- All aluminium construction, COMPLETE style redesign.

This was the only design (shape/style) change, and as I said, the only major difference was the elimination of the popup headlights. Everything else was just nipped/tucked. This is typical of Honda model updates. I'm not saying it's bad.... just saying...

See the similarities?

Mk 1:






Mk 2:

[tbigity]

Having an Accord with 600 hp is like a muscle man with all his weight in his upper body. Sure, he can benchpress 600 pounds, but he can barely stand up under his own weight!

*clears throat*

BOO TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING. HOORAY VX