Ease up a bit WormGod &Bulldoggie, If you read the thread again , I stated that it was at NITE , and I never said that it was a BUSY parking lot. I didnt need to weave between other cars or even children in shopping carts. I just gave it gas to get around the SUV in front while trying to make it back in time.It was my error by not stating that the lot had only 2 or 3 cars in it, & they were parked on the far side of the lot, which gave me a lot of space to go around w/o hitting another anything but a childless shopping cart., I went back there this eveing to get an approx measurement. It was about 40 feet that the cart flew to clear the almost 6 & 1/2 ft hight dumpster. OK, it was'nt 12 ft high, but it sure as hell looked like it to me at the time. ...................Thanks transio for underdtanding