Vx-4?

[mbeach]

Alright, I may be losing my mind -please let's not comment on it here.

The wife refuses to part with the Dragon as the time for a little Beach (son-of-a-Beach?) approaches. She wants a 4-door VehiCROSS.

I (we) know that one of these existed -the VX-4. From the looks of the interior, it was a non-running prototype. However, if a VW Bug can be stretched into a limo, a VX can be stretched into a Trooper-length 4 door.

Who built to prototype for the VX-4? I want the back doors.

[AlaskaVX]

LOL And I thought the LS-1 Vehicross was going to be a project, GOOD LUCK with this one!!!! You can dooooooo eeeeiiit!!!!!!!


"son of a beach".... LMAO

[Joe_Black]

Next best thing: 2004 Isuzu Axiom 3.5DI. They're blowing the last ones out the door just like they did with the last VX's.

[VX_PA]

This would be an aggressive project. The best way I can think of to get rear doors would be to find some junked front doors and then modify them to become rear doors. What might help would be to find some rear doors that could work and use the VX door skin with modification to fit the look of the VX. That way you'd already have the window and latch part worked out. Also try to find a pillar that would work between the doors so you don't have to custom make them.

This is a project that can be accomplished but it will take some advance fabrication and welding skills. Good luck if you take this on. That would be really cool to see.

[mbeach]

This would be an aggressive project.

To say the least :laughg:

The best way I can think of to get rear doors would be to find some junked front doors and then modify them to become rear doors. What might help would be to find some rear doors that could work and use the VX door skin with modification to fit the look of the VX. That way you'd already have the window and latch part worked out.

This is good thinking. I really need another VX shell to pull this off.

Our doors could easily be halved, glass gut, window channel modified, to do some back doors. The roof and floor pan is a no-brainer. The mechanicals just require some part-stretching .
I have fairly decent welding/machining and fabrication skills -but this is WAY beyond my abilities. I'll likely farm this out to a pro.

I figure that even if I spend $12k on the modification (paying to have it done), I'll still be better off than selling a VX, eating the depreciation, and buying a new vehicle (it's going to be a V70 or an XC70 if it's going to be anything).
Plus, the wife will have the coolest soccer-mom vehicle going.

I'm in no way saying that this is GOING to happen -I'm just throwing out thoughts and hoping some good ideas bounce back.

[Joe_Black]

I really need another VX shell to pull this off.

Actually, what you want is an Axiom. Why? Because you'll need the chassis for the longer wheelbase, since I'm pretty sure you don't want to build another chassis. Plus the Axiom already has the correct powertrain. And the VX-4 and Axiom have basically the same interior, so all you really need to do is get some VX sheet metal onto a de-skinned Axiom and re-engineer the rear door. That's a bunch simpler, 'cause that's almost the reverse of how Isuzu got to the Axiom from the VX-4.

[mbeach]

I was thinking that a Trooper would make the swap.

I'm looking for an Axiom?

[Joe_Black]

The Trooper was discontinued before the 3.5DI came out, and if you're going to make a VX-4 you might as well get the cool engine. I think there's a lot more commonality between the Axiom than the Trooper as far as the body goes. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the Axiom suspension geometry is closer to the VX than the Trooper.

As an aside: How many families have VX's and no issues with kids? My wife drives the IronMan and our daughter hasn't ever been a issue as far as the truck goes. The real trick with a child seat is accessing it from the rear rather than wrestling from the front. Just fold down (or back) the unused half of the seat to get to the little one. Once they're older they scamper in-n-out like crazy and operate the passenger seat with ease. Of course, having a little bit more separation between 2 or 3 giggling little girls might not be a bad things...

[kpaske]

Yeah, I've thought about selling my VX for a more family-friendly 4 door vehicle, but there are quite a few work arounds. Like Joe said, loading from the rear door works well for the first little one. For the second, seat extenders for the passenger side should help - I'm going to be needing to purchase a set here real soon as my next one is due in June. Anything beyond two and your asking for trouble, in more ways that one!

I saw one of those stretch-bug limos on the highway last night... Cooool! If you can pull it off, that would be awesome. But that is definitely a job *I* would leave to the professionals.

[MrCrowley]

I think the Trooper mod would be the way to go. I love the Axiom but- unibody. The VX is actually built on a '97 Trooper design. You can put the vx suspension (shocks, springs, sway bars-the only difference between the two besides gears) on the trooper frame, cut body, insert a piece cut from the middle of a scrap VX body and voila- instant 4 door. The best approach would be to stretch the frame and use 4 FULL VEHICROSS DOORS on it. The backs would only need modified window rail around top, and glass, and sheet metal work. The next hardest part would be to "strech" the wiring to the rear of the truck. Not too hard, but time consuming. Longer Driveshat and brake piping. Better still- go out and buy a 2002 Trooper limited for about 12-15k and have both like me. Except a little newer trooper like I hope to do soon. Subaru STI must come first, though! I own a 99 VX and a 98 Trooper now. You will learn to love the Trooper just as much as the VX except a little differently. Same capability-more family friendly and a great traveling companion. Good luck whatever route you go.

[Joe Izusu]

Well I thought I would post my thoughts, I own a Vehicross and my wife hates it, I have too boys who and my first born is 2 and he loves it, although its tough getting in and out, But my wife loves her Axiom and I love it to. She wanted CRV and I was not going for that, But once I got her looking at the Axiom it was all over but the buying. Go for it.

[mbeach]

The real trick with a child seat is accessing it from the rear rather than wrestling from the front. Just fold down (or back) the unused half of the seat to get to the little one.

My wife has just proclaimed Joe to be the smartest man alive.

That really is a great idea -maybe I'll do the door popper thing after all.

Here's what I was thinking on the stretch -it will be a stretch if it's anything at all. I don't need/want a whole new vehicle (engine, drivetrain, etc.). I want to keep the same VIN, etc.
A Trooper has a wheelbase approximately 15" longer than a VX. What about a Trooper frame (and rear driveshaft) being the basis for the swap? I need more than 15" though.

I really need another VX. The frame will need to be lengthened anyways.

There was a company in Florida that used to stretch Jeep TJs. They had an excellent writeup on their website about their work. That's where I got my inspiration.

For those who have never seen the VX-4, here's a hotlink:

[TEN36VX]

How about this idea... What if you stretched it only about 4-6 inches and then fab'ed a reverse opening door (similar to the Saturns 3rd door or all of the new style crew cab pickups)? It might even be possible without a stretch, though difficult, in which case you wouldn't need a donor. Just a mod I was thinking of trying.

The VX already has a spacious back seat so you could move it forward (with the stretch) and leave the extra room in the back.

[Numba1goalie]

Why dont you go find someone who professionally lengthens town cars and such into limos and get an estimate? then raise the funds and get r' done.

[mbeach]

Why dont you go find someone who professionally lengthens town cars and such into limos and get an estimate? then raise the funds and get r' done.

That's what I'm doing. I'm not tackling this on my own.

Maybe by the guys that do these: