Quote Originally Posted by kpaske
On the other hand, I do agree with Tone and the others who've said that those who have nothing to hide have little to lose by these types of technologies.
The problem with this attitude is that we really have little to gain and lots to lose. So far, every single benefit that has been posited as coming from a national ID system is either out and out false - they can only decrease security from terrorists and make things easier for illegal immigrants - or are something that should be left to the private sector.

Meanwhile, these kinds of systems open up plenty of potential for abuse and if you think they won't be abused you just don't understand the nature of man. Criminals, both inside and outside the government will abuse the system, it is not a question of if, it is a question of when and in what new and clever ways they will do it.

Way too many people in this thread are confusing patriotism with authoritarianism. At the root, this system is about bigger government for the autocrats in washington and less freedom for lawful citizens. It won't make you any safer, but it will cost you in taxes and it will make you less of a free man.

Quote Originally Posted by I-Man
Go to Canada I'm sure they don't have those kind of cards there, and you can hang out with the rest of the ex-pats, draft dodgers and criminals who found the American system just too hard to deal with. Hell they love your kind up there.
I-Man - I can do the reactionary knee-jerk response 10x better than you: How about instead YOU go to North Korea where they ALREADY have these kinds of cards along with no freedom to travel, freedom of speech or really much of any freedom at all. Hell, sounds like you and tone would love it there. Leave America to those who know what it means to be an American.