had no real clue if bad or good deal at the time. paid 8300 cash for one that had traded in at a dealership in nc. they were asking 10500 but he nearly took my arm off when I said 8000 cash then after tax @tag around 8300. all this went down around christmas. so i guess someone else had done the same thing. its a 1999 ebony with 61000. i'm very very very pleased so far.