Not Impressed

[mrtew]

are you trying to win a drag race in the snow?

Yeah, I kinda am. I do use the winter button for pulling out around corners and appreciate what it does, but it's not what people are looking for when they see Jeeps etc take off from intersections like there's no snow at all and we are crawling away with no power in third gear.

I mean, you can go "fast" but jesus take your time getting there.

Good advice I'm sure, Dad, but I'd like that to be my choice not my truck's!

You do understand the reasoning behind the winter button right? It keeps you in a higher gear so your lead-foot wont cause you to slip and slide everywhere until you get up to speed when you wont need it anymore.

Yeah it's great for poking around icy corners but when you want to go fast 4WD low works like a charm. It sure helps the braking too because it locks the wheels together so the ABS doesn't kick in all the time.

well i would like to be able to do 45 mph in the snow and in 4lo that is high rpm and probably not that good on the drivetrain. so a 4hi would allow me to go 45mph w/o wheel slip and at low rpm.

I see your point and if a 4WD high was possible I'm sure I'd try it out. I don't think 45 in low is going to wear you out at all for a few days though... It's not like you're going to be near the redline or anything. Now if you're driving to Chicago or something it might be a little much, but around town it's fantastic. Hope you figure it out... I'll sign up.

[UNEVEN THOUGHTS]

It's been snowing here for the last 26 hours and I've gone out to the store 3 times. I used the "Winter" button to get up out of my driveway and then that was that. I have a completly stock VX and althought the back end gave me a couple kicks and I had the occasional floaty steering it wasn't anything unmanageable. I agree that there is room for improvement but you need to look at what else we get with our VX. IMHO we have the best, most interesting vehicle ever made and it was limited production no less! If the performence in snow bothers you that much why doesn't sombody run out to there garage and start fudgeing together something to fix the problem? If I knew more about cars and wiring I'd jump at the chance to contribute something to like this to the Board. Anyway... it's just my .02

[Maugan_VX]

Ok, I'm going to stop trying to reason with someone who wants to drive recklessly in poor driving conditions.

The point of 4wd and TOD in general is to make driving managable in poor traction conditions, not give reckless ******* a carte-blanche to compensate for some inadequecies against a jeep in snow.

I keep wondering why my insurance is so high. :eyeroll:


Oh, heres the reason why jeeps can do what they do:
GVW

VX: 3955
Jeep: 5150

More than 1000lbs pushing those tires to the ground.

[mrtew]

Ok, I'm going to stop trying to reason with someone who wants to drive recklessly in poor driving conditions.

I doubt that! :-]

The point of 4wd and TOD in general is to make driving managable in poor traction conditions, not give reckless ******** a carte-blanche to compensate for some inadequecies against a jeep in snow.

You're always very antagonistic.

Oh, heres the reason why jeeps can do what they do:
GVW VX: 3955 Jeep: 5150 More than 1000lbs pushing those tires to the ground.

I disagree. I think it's because they shift into 4WD low instead of counting on TOD and winter buttons. I don't know if you actually read the posts you reply to but I'm telling you the VX can keep up with a Jeep just fine if you shift that lever.

The TOD isn't doing it for people or this thread would never have been started and lasted this long. Also I don't think weight is the answer because I always notice little skinny tired econocars like old Escorts etc going in the snow even faster and straighter than the Jeeps. That front-wheel-drive is the bomb... probably one of the reasons that locking our front wheels power on helps so much!

[psychos2]

i have a few opinions on this topic. one is the limited slip diff.i think this is actually part of the problem with the rear sliding and the front pushing.normally when one wheel is spinning the other is helping to keep the the rear from sliding.in our case the diff kicks in and causes the rear to slide because both wheels are spinning.
the same holds true for the pushing.when both rear wheels are turning they tend to push the front wheels.when you are not in the snow and you turn the wheels turn at different speeds, when they are spinning in the snow they are working like a locked diff and push the front wheels.like when you are in 4 lo on dry pavement.
also i think the short wheelbase does not help matters.i think that a combination of all these things cause the problems some a having.i have just learned to deal with it and compensate for it.and i found that not using power mode helps and using winter mode helps also.and if the conditions get to bad i use 4 lo . just my 2 cents. shawn

[mbeach]

I agree with Shawn,
That tight rear diff tends to act like a locked unit very quickly = bad on ice, for the reasons that he mentioned.
Again, it just requires a little relearning on my part.


Maugan VX-
I have only been a member of this board for a short time, but your posts have already gotten my attention. I took the liberty of researching your history, and I found very few helpful/informative posts -most were inflammatory and unnecessary. I'm afraid that we can't all be as perfect as you claim to be, and I believe that you should re-think the manner in which you choose to "share your knowledge". If I were a moderator of this site, not only would you have been warned/suspended/banned by now, I would've sent thugs to your home to steal your vehicle.
Don't bother replying to this post, I've officially put you on my "useless ******" list.

[Maugan_VX]

I like how all my relevant posts disappeared from this thread.

[Moncha]

I like how all my relevant posts disappeared from this thread.

Not sure of what you mean, no posts have been deleted from this thread. Since the board has re-opened, ALL deletions are soft deletions only making them invisible to regular users and only I have the means to physically remove them. Being that the activity on this thread began again after the upgrade, I can see whether a post had been removed.