First off, yes I got stuck going DOWNHILL!?! I was hung up on a rock under the transfer case skidplate & frame crossmember. Analog was going to yank me off it with his tow strap (that's why everyone has them when off-roading), but the poor guys in the sweet 4 Runner hadn't had a chance to use thier winch yet, so we went that route. The park is getting pretty tore up & rutted by guys with big lifts/tires using too much skinny pedal. It gets worse every time I go there, and thus those of us with fairly low ground clearance end up stuck sometimes. I'm very glad I went with the Pro Comp tire! I would've been screwed with my old Duelers on my 18" bling-blings. Looks like Calmini is going to get my buisiness after all! Fiend... you crack me up! Oh, and Yal... how did you like what I wrote about Tone's brake light flasher in that other post?