Well sir you would be suprised.I used to laugh because these guys were coming out with 18" bling bling's and gym shoes and following all of us in our hiking boots just fine.I don't know why you VXers get to have a vehicle that can go wheelin with road rubber and not get stuck when I have MT's and usually have someone drag me around half the day...LOL.No more though...should have some cash soon and all the hieght issues as well as driveline issues will be gone!!!I thought 3" was enough but was you start on the path to the darkside you can never come back.