The problem is that the manufacturers are in the business of saleing cars...98% of those buying new cars will neber take them off road with the exception of the occasional dirt road or snowey road. For them the offerings are perfectly fine. But if you want to use them for any serious off roading they leave a LOT to be desired. I don't care how many "trail rated" tags they plaster on it, a jeep patriot is not going to get you through the rubicon trail