toyota ft-1

[Leon R]

I am familiar with GTR and EVOX versions, both of those are better...

I suspect that Toyota will be closer to the GTR than to the BMW...

[eternal21]

As I said, "better" is a subjective term.

[Leon R]

Well, if you are simply after the "experience" of manual transmission, then no automated manual transmission will do. But for performance driving these transmissions are the ultimate when it comes to switching gears!

[Leon R]

There are "organized roll races"? That is pretty sad...

Are you sure you aren't talking about "TX mile" style racing, where launch isn't as critical, but still not a Roll racing?

[eternal21]

There are "organized roll races"? That is pretty sad...

Are you sure you aren't talking about "TX mile" style racing, where launch isn't as critical, but still not a Roll racing?

Am I sure? No, I've just been to the TX Mile 5x or so Pretty sure that I know the difference between roll racing and the Texas Mile. No offense, but with that statement, you've just pretty much told me that you're a tad bit out of sorts about what's what in the racing world nowaways. Soooooooooooo, with that, I'm gonna leave you with this (just a few of many):

http://shift-s3ctor.com/
http://texasspeedsyndicate.com/texas-invitational/


and then I'm gonna bow out of this conversation. See you guys and girls on the track.

[Leon R]

So you can enjoy something as hard core as TX Mile and as bogus as roll racing? Strange.

To me, roll racing was something that was created by cry-babies who didn't know how to launch a car. I do not see it ever loosing that stigma and becoming a respected type of racing

I guess I am more into real drag racing, I never cared for drifting ether, and fortunately that fad is over!

[eternal21]

So you can enjoy something as hard core as TX Mile and as bogus as roll racing? Strange.

Considering I see the same (1400hp+) cars and drivers participating at both events (Tx Syndicate & Tx Mile), must be a Texas thing. Glad we lead and don't follow Usually, *we* are the close-minded type that try to narrowly define something instead of having an appreciation of it in all its variants.

And I'm guessing you don't like NASCAR, b/c last time I checked, they roll race.

[Leon R]

No, I dislike NASCAR because they are automotive dinosaurs, talk about being the OPPOSITE of leading edge! I spend hours watching F1, but can't stand NASCAR.

However... I do enjoy racing on oval tracks... It is much more challenging than it looks!

[eternal21]

No, I dislike NASCAR because they are automotive dinosaurs, talk about being the OPPOSITE of leading edge! I spend hours watching F1, but can’t stand NASCAR.

However… I do enjoy racing on oval tracks… It is much more challenging than it looks!

I'm not a big fan of NASCAR either, and prefer F1. At least we can agree on that Saw both races here so far, as well as Australian V8 supercars, Continental Tire Series, and Grand Am/ALMS. We'll be adding MotoGP this year

[GAMEON]

It doesnt matter to me either way... roll or a dig. Roll racing is different than than the texas mile. I was only saying it takes more skill to launch a rwd car from a dig than it does an awd from a dig. I know my car runs better from a roll cause 1st and 2nd gear are useless lol. I can watch rally and touring car races all day, but nascar will never find its way to my tv or computer. Can't stand it. They're makin a left turn... and another left turn... ect. may be some skill to it, but its not for me.

[Leon R]

This was me, pulling 1.39 sec 60' a few years ago:



Trust me when I say that being on the top of AWD launching game is NOT any easier than being on the top of the RWD launching game! It is easier to cut better 60' times on AWD when compared to RWD (with street tires), but that isn't saying much .

BTW, this launch and subsequent 10.0 second run, results in 0-60 time of around 2.1-2.2 seconds.

[vt_maverick]

DSM faster than Bugatti Veyron 0-60?

[yellowgizmo99]

60 foot

[Leon R]

60 foot time was 1.39
0-60 was calculated using existing formulas that take 60' and 1/4 ET and it is around 2.1-2.2 seconds.

That particular DSM is faster than Veyron, as it should be (better power/weight ratio and full slick tires). But its top speed will be around 200-210, well short of Veyron's 260+

[EVO]

Got to love those 4G63 motors!! AWESOME at the track!!