I couldn't see out of it. Didn't know where the trail was. It's hard to show off your prowess when you're really not sure where you are exactly. I joined a 4wd club here in Boise that's mostly jeep oriented. After struggling on a few trails with that group, it became obvious to me that a stock Rubicon was far superior to my modified FJ. Ain't no fool. Done what I had to.