scared meself!!!

[tom4bren]

So...no white flag truce then after all?

Yup. This is my last post on the subject.

And do you realize you've done it again? You seemed to have understood in your other thread that it was the pressure that caused various engine gaskets to be blown out in the early days and was one of the main reasons PCV systems were invented in the first place, yet you're apparently changing your tune again to now try to make it about volume?

Nah, PV=nRT so pressure & volume are inter-related on a closed (& semi-closed system). One can not be addressed without the other. Volumetric increase without an escape leads to pressure buildup ... hence the basis for the entire discussion. So far the only thing that I've stated that I was wrong about and reversed direction on was the source of the pressure/volume. It doesn't come from the valves. My apologies to the automotive and engineering communities for a rushed assessment that wasn't thought out.

As I said, surely you can understand how a person might see that as you going out of your way to disagree just because of who you're disagreeing with? Notice how I've phrased that as a question since at times you've seemed to have understood things only to turn around and say something to cause a person to question whether that was ever really the case...

Sorry but that just doesn't sound like me at all. I may be a headstrong/knowitall ... but disagreeable fits me about as well as a leather glove on OJ.

Did I ever say it wasn't logical to get rid of a valve that seems to have proven itself inadequate in this particular application? I've replaced mine with a breather filter too after all. But you continuing to change your reasoning whenever it seems to suit you doesn't mean what I've already said hasn't already also addressed the new reasons you've come up with, because as far as your volumetric flow capacity theory goes, if you're engine has gotten to the point that the diameters of the orifices in the stock PCV valve/system are no longer sufficient to bleed off the pressures the engine is creating, it would seem you'd then have a hell of a lot more engine problems that needed addressed than simply modifying your PCV system anyway...don't you think?

Nope ... I don't think that at all ... & neither do you since you replaced your PCV with a breather.

As far as having figured the odds of what you're attempting as being 50/50, I'd sure be curious to know how you came up with those figures before you automatically assume they're accurate and start applying them to whatever results you end up getting.

50/50 is just a saying to indicate that I have as much probability of being right as I do of being wrong. Since we are talking about a technical area that I have limited experience & knowlege (obviously by the errors I've made), there is no statistical sampling to assign accurate metrics for prognostication.

And seriously, we know you've joked around on occasion about thinking you're never wrong about anything (who hasn't right?), but did you seriously just try to align your automotive experiment as being along the same lines as the nation-building experiment of our forefathers...?!?

Actually I was aligning myself more to the Wright brothers, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford. But thanks, I'll take Washington, Jefferson, Franklin & Adams. It's interesting that they were the first ones you thought of as my forefathers. I had no idea that you held me in such high regard. Based on your posts, I'd have thought you'd consider me closer to Homer Simpson.

I'm all for self-confidence don't get me wrong, but gee...high opinion of yourself much?

I'm a helluva guy ... no doubt about it.

People who think they know everything are incredibly irritating to those of us who actually do!!!

[Jay Dunford]

I gots an idea!! We'll get y'all some PVC (pipe) and you can beat each other about the head and shoulders to see who is correct.

Can't get mad at me either, I put smileys in too.

[tom4bren]

I gots an idea!! We'll get y'all some PVC (pipe) and you can beat each other about the head and shoulders to see who is correct.

Can't get mad at me either, I put smileys in too.

Now yer just screwin with me. I finally got PCV down pat & now yer throwin an acronym like PVC at me. For shame!!!

[Y33TREKker]

Nah, PV=nRT so pressure & volume are inter-related on a closed (& semi-closed system). One can not be addressed without the other. Volumetric increase without an escape leads to pressure buildup ... hence the basis for the entire discussion. So far the only thing that I've stated that I was wrong about and reversed direction on was the source of the pressure/volume. It doesn't come from the valves. My apologies to the automotive and engineering communities for a rushed assessment that wasn't thought out.

And now you're changing your story again. You started out basing your theory on a "closed" system, similar to an exhaust system. Remember? All I can say is you have a very convenient way of trying to prove yourself "right" all the time.

As I said, surely you can understand how a person might see that as you going out of your way to disagree just because of who you're disagreeing with? Notice how I've phrased that as a question since at times you've seemed to have understood things only to turn around and say something to cause a person to question whether that was ever really the case...

Sorry but that just doesn't sound like me at all. I may be a headstrong/knowitall ... but disagreeable fits me about as well as a leather glove on OJ.

OK, so YOU can't see it. Doesn't mean others can't though. (And by the way, just being "disagreeable" wasn't what I was talking about anyway).

Did I ever say it wasn't logical to get rid of a valve that seems to have proven itself inadequate in this particular application? I've replaced mine with a breather filter too after all. But you continuing to change your reasoning whenever it seems to suit you doesn't mean what I've already said hasn't already also addressed the new reasons you've come up with, because as far as your volumetric flow capacity theory goes, if you're engine has gotten to the point that the diameters of the orifices in the stock PCV valve/system are no longer sufficient to bleed off the pressures the engine is creating, it would seem you'd then have a hell of a lot more engine problems that needed addressed than simply modifying your PCV system anyway...don't you think?

Nope ... I don't think that at all ... & neither do you since you replaced your PCV with a breather.

You've not only misunderstood why I opted for a breather filter, but you've just contradicted yourself once more in this thread.

As far as having figured the odds of what you're attempting as being 50/50, I'd sure be curious to know how you came up with those figures before you automatically assume they're accurate and start applying them to whatever results you end up getting.

50/50 is just a saying to indicate that I have as much probability of being right as I do of being wrong. Since we are talking about a technical area that I have limited experience & knowlege (obviously by the errors I've made), there is no statistical sampling to assign accurate metrics for prognostication.

Except for the fact that the theory you've been basing your project on was flawed from the beginning.

And seriously, we know you've joked around on occasion about thinking you're never wrong about anything (who hasn't right?), but did you seriously just try to align your automotive experiment as being along the same lines as the nation-building experiment of our forefathers...?!?

Actually I was aligning myself more to the Wright brothers, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford. But thanks, I'll take Washington, Jefferson, Franklin & Adams. It's interesting that they were the first ones you thought of as my forefathers. I had no idea that you held me in such high regard. Based on your posts, I'd have thought you'd consider me closer to Homer Simpson.

Your words, not mine, which seems to be about par for the course around here since it's usually been others here who have thrown around those kinds of juvenile insults and derogatory comments rather than me.

I'm all for self-confidence don't get me wrong, but gee...high opinion of yourself much?

I'm a helluva guy ... no doubt about it. People who think they know everything are incredibly irritating to those of us who actually do!!!

And there you have it.

[Y33TREKker]

I gots an idea!! We'll get y'all some PVC (pipe) and you can beat each other about the head and shoulders to see who is correct.
Can't get mad at me either, I put smileys in too.

Take two aspirins and call me in the morning Tom, although I fear it may take more then that to make our headache go away!

Just two more examples for all those who would continue to imply that it's my attitude that creates an unfriendly atmosphere.

[tom4bren]

I've already put up the white flag so I'll conclude with:

I have no response to that.

You win the yellow shoelace contest.

[Y33TREKker]

I've already put up the white flag so I'll conclude with:

I have no response to that.

We've obviously heard that before though, and yet here we are again.

[Ldub]

We've obviously heard that before though, and yet here we are again.

twist...spin..."I know you are, what am I"...all the classic hallmarks of a trekeeto thread...SWEET!!!...

OMFG...this thread has been the best entertainment EVER...and all this time, I thought it was just me...

Carry on...I can always use another laff or two............... ............

......

[LittleBeast]

Just two more examples for all those who would continue to imply that it's my attitude that creates an unfriendly atmosphere.

It is your attitude that creates an unfriendly atmosphere, most people here can see it, it is obvious that you will never admit it thought. Here is some free advice: stop spending so much time and effort on proving yourself right in a thread that had nothing to do with you in the first place.

There is a reason you are the most blocked/ignored person on this site. Your history of beating a dead horse just so you can feel like you are "right" or "justified" or "have the last word" is laughable. Get over yourself and all your quoting other people to prove them wrong.

[Y33TREKker]

It is your attitude that creates an unfriendly atmosphere, most people here can see it, it is obvious that you will never admit it thought. Here is some free advice: stop spending so much time and effort on proving yourself right in a thread that had nothing to do with you in the first place.

Yes, nothing to do with ME. But I've already said that myself. All I was initially doing was trying to help Tom see how his initially voiced understanding of a PCV system would make his project unnecessary. This thread only became about me when Tom started trying to make it about me to change the subject from him trying to prove himself right when he wasn't. He even admitted that himself.

There is a reason you are the most blocked/ignored person on this site. Your history of beating a dead horse just so you can feel like you are "right" or "justified" or "have the last word" is laughable. Get over yourself and all your quoting other people to prove them wrong.

Do you really not see the irony of how often you've quoted me to try to prove me wrong though?

All I'll say is that at least I'm apparently blocked/ignored because of the misunderstandings and hypocrisy of others. That's how the "attitude" against me all got started on this message board in the first place after all, but since you were a part of that incident/thread too, it's obvious that you will never admit to that...even though there are many members here who have told me they saw that about you during that initial incident.

For you to again ignore facts like those and imply that I'm the person with the attitude is what is laughable. You should try getting over yourself and stop trying to prove yourself right all the time where it concerns me, especially since all I've tried to do on multiple occasions is try to help some of you see how it's your attitudes that have sometimes created an unfriendly atmosphere on this website...as you're once again doing....which seems to be part of a history you never plan to admit to.

[tom4bren]

This thread only became about me when Tom started trying to make it about me to change the subject from him trying to prove himself right when he wasn't.

AFAIK the only thing I posted that was an attack on your person was calling you ... that bad name you don't like. That was an accident borne of ignorance & I apologized for it.

All I ever did was to continue the conversation on a technical basis to see if there was any more to learn from your responses ... despite the effort of weeding through your false accusations of contradiction.

I have no interest in getting into a battle of wits with you. Please don't go back through the thread and quote me out of context to attempt to prove your point.

Yes, I know I've waived the white flag twice now so please try to honor that by just letting it go (a flag of truce is bi-directional after all). Any further unfounded attacks on my character will be wasted effort on your part since I won't be reading this thread anymore.

[JoFotoz]

Umm Dubbie..

This "projection" you talk of....

Do you really not see the irony of how often you've quoted me to try to prove me wrong though?

..... am I on the right track

The "Jockey"

[JoFotoz]

The Sarcasm of my previous post aside....

I can assure you Trekker, that many posting here..
....and many simply talking by phone/PM etc....

..have done THEIR fair share of reflecting.

To the point of wondering if perhaps you are the master prankster..

....and simply winding everyone up.

Alas..its clear this is not the case.

By taking the view that its a "Mob mentality", especially given many new
posters cautioning you....

....its clear that either we are all missing something ~ or you are.


I hope one day we meet for a beer, and as I've said to you before, we find that its all "Cyber" b/s...

....and simply miss-interpretation of intonation, meaning and intent as happens often when posting, rather than actually chatting.



jo

[Ldub]

Umm Dubbie..

This "projection" you talk of....




..... am I on the right track

The "Jockey"

U R So close...