Thanks Moncha - that's what I had always kinda thought but then in looking at the brochure, it doesn't go into the fact that there are Ironman editions whatsoever. Given the omission one might think there were no '99 Ironmans, but I knew there had to be a lot more Ironmans out there than 180 or so. Most of them are '99s. I did think there were possibly a few white ones that never had the logos, but wasn't sure. Guess if there are, they were bebadged.