ak-47 or ar-15?

[FlyingV77]

Raising a dead thread. MUUHAHAHAHAH!

Anyways Prices are coming down and ammo can be found. check this site out, it updates live.

http://www.gunbot.net/

and M16s suck!

[antdag22]

Am

[Ldub]

Pretty much.


Local MD shops, good luck finding any AR or AK platform rifle. Let alone 7.62 or 5.56 rounds. Heck, I can't even find any .223, and when I do, it's garbage!!! In the extremely rare occasion you can spot one of thje above listed platforms or ammo, you are looking at a near 150-200% mark-up. Gauging due to recent events.

At least that part is pretty much over, though 22 ammo is still hard to find. I'm seeing AR uppers, lowers, & complete rifles, as well as ammo in the local haberdasheries...

Not just "gun" shops either, Fleet/Farm, Wal-Mart, etc...

[WormGod]

It all matters little to me now. Since O'Malley (Gov of MD, and pretty much the same douchebag Gov from Walking Dead) decided to ban nearly everything here, mandate fingerprinting and weapon training, and kicking gun manufacturers out of MD (what choice did they really have?), we have been pretty dry of everything. Local gun shops are slowly closing doors since the best they can do is sell posters of guns.

My AR has been resting quietly in the closet. Leaning against the many full ammo cans. Just hoping eventually this lame !@# ban/regulations crap goes away in the near future. Don't get me wrong, it really isn't THAT restricting since I am grandfathered, but it has really hurt the local gun shop and range business.

I did however manage to get a ZK-22 conversion for my 10/22 before that !@#$ storm happened (not like it falls into the banned items list). Makes my plinker look like a true Zombie Killer now.



BTW, GunBot is the best! Been using it since I can remember. Life saver.

[Ala5ka]

The above picture features a bull pup conversion on a proven platform..generally less reliable (albeit cooler looking) The person in the picture is a dude from a TV show that I know for a fact is not a real gunsmith. I am a character from a TV show who is a real gunsmith (Wild West AK season 2)

That being said both AR and AK platforms are fun, The Ak is my favorite simply because not everyone at the range has one. I have won many competitions both tactical and production class with my Ak's against AR's. That being said The Ak's I run have been heavily modified and rival the price of most high end AR's. You can have a ton of fun with either rifle.

Never buy cheap, you get what you pay for. Nothing Century Imports. On Ak's headspace is everything, the barrel is pressed in so if it is out of headspace most smith's won't do the work.

Like all things the accuracy of the AK is underrated, and the reliability overrated. They will fail, and they can shoot 1MOA (good ammo, quality parts)

Try not to stray from original concepts in an AR if you go that route i.e.. gas piston, pistol models, crazy calibers, bump fire devices, ridiculous optics.
Forward handgrips kill natural point of aim (only allowable for a SAW operator)

Side note, everyone and their mother has an AR, so there is always someone with one way cooler than yours. Also they don't have any personality.

Rant Conclude...

[Scott Larson]

All good points A5! AR's are versatile, but even they have their limits and yes, everybody and their brother has one, too often decked out with every conceivable doo-dad available to the point of ridiculousness...A nicely made, wood-stocked AK definitely draws some attention and is the epitome of simplicity, and yup, definitely accurate...

[newthings]

Consider the AR-15 in AAC 300 Blackout. Just a barrel change away from 5.56 or two pins away if you have a complete upper. I put a complete upper together over Black Friday for $600. Ammo from Washougal River at $175 for 250 rounds. Even the mags are the same. The AAC 300 Blackout has been a SAMMI standard for some time, not a wildcat.
Roy

[WormGod]

The above picture features a bull pup conversion on a proven platform..generally less reliable (albeit cooler looking) The person in the picture is a dude from a TV show that I know for a fact is not a real gunsmith. I am a character from a TV show who is a real gunsmith (Wild West AK season 2)

Ya, I have seen their show. Silly. Scripted. Fake. This bullpup design is theirs.... but manufactured in China. Some gunsmiths eh? Regardless, thought it was cool looking and I never use my 10/22, so taking a shot (no pun intended). Maybe it will get me to actually USE it now.

Also, via the help of GunBot, manged to get my hands on 1000rds of PMC .223 for $360 this weekend. At $0.37 a rd, that's the cheapest I have been able to buy it for in a while around here.

[FlyingV77]

same thing with Red Jacket. ive heard there stuff is pretty good. but from watching the show, i would never do business with them.

[Ala5ka]

Consider the AR-15 in AAC 300 Blackout. Just a barrel change away from 5.56 or two pins away if you have a complete upper. I put a complete upper together over Black Friday for $600. Ammo from Washougal River at $175 for 250 rounds. Even the mags are the same. The AAC 300 Blackout has been a SAMMI standard for some time, not a wildcat.
Roy

300 blackout is a silly round, without either the ballistics of the .223 or the 7.62x39 but with the price tag of both combined! Feeding issues, stabilization problems, limited range...just another fancy wallet lightening device

stick with the prescribed remedy AR-10=.308 AR-15=5.56/.223 AK-47=7.62x39 never 12g

when we start fiddling with platforms expecting them to be something they are not we end up drastically limiting the effectiveness of the system for example Defender size 1911s (cycling issues) or PUV's (haha)

Long story short there is no "do-it-all" rifle, it's like playing a whole game of golf with a putter.

I may ruffle feathers but this is what I do for a living and I'd hate to see any of my VX buddies wasting money/being under gunned/acting like CoD crazed mall ninjas


For the record, 300 Blackout is fun especially suppressed, but so is 5.7, .243 Shehane, 500 NE, .223 ssm, .457 WW you get what I mean, fun is fun, practical is what you lean on when it's really needed

Have fun, spend your money the way you like, enjoy life

[FlyingV77]

300 Blackout/whisper suppressed is Hollywood quiet! all you can hear is the hammer fall and the ding down range. SWEET!
but yes its expensive. so you should reload this round.
but again its really accurate to 300 yards or so.
if you got the cash, and all your other bases covered go for it.

[nfpgasmask]

See what happens when you aren't here as often as you used to be? You miss cool threads like this!

I am AK through and through. But shooting your buddy's AR is always fun.

Bart

[FlyingV77]

See what happens when you aren't here as often as you used to be? You miss cool threads like this!

I am AK through and through. But shooting your buddy's AR is always fun.

Bart

especially if he paid for the ammo

[EVO]

Just another flavor of ice cream!! Love my AR's have AK's and I find shooting my AK is much cheaper now adays!!

[newthings]

Always happy to stimulate discussion.

300 AAC BLACKOUT round was approved by SAAMI on January 17, 2011.

On October 23, 2011, SSG Daniel Horner of the USAMU used 300 AAC Blackout to win his 4th USPSA Multi-Gun National Championship.

Ammo from Washougal River at $175 for 250 rounds.
Yes, more expensive than bulk 5.56. So?

The weapon IS an AR-15 with a different barrel. No price difference there.

If you have an AR-15, you can have a 300 AAC Blackout for the price of a barrel. I just bought mine in fluted stainless steel for $160.00.

No claims from me for a "Do it All".

Never 12g --Really? My Saiga 12 has a solid place in my life.

Cheers, Roy