Again with the juvenile insults/threats. Maybe you have plans to grow up on your NEXT birthday???
Seems you'd eventually realize that even though you're still making threats and I'm STILL here telling you to grow up that they're simply not having the effect you apparently believe they should have.
And besides, there's no "debate" even happening here. It's simply a few repeating their same old obviously misinformed opinions while not accepting the possibility for even a moment that it was them who caused the problems in the first place.
If only objectivity could be wrapped up with a nice little bow and a card...