Scary Stuff

[rsteinmetz70112]

Leaping Conclusions abound.

None of us know what actually happened when Raub was interviewed. Perhaps the Police were concerned about his behavior and were just being cautions. Given that many police officers are military veterans they may have just been trying to look out for him.

[bearandbee]

I'm shocked that so many are ready to sacrifice the constitution and freedom

[Y33TREKker]

I'd personally rather wait until more objective facts are in regarding one possibly biased story before I jump on any bandwagon that is suggesting the government is trying to take away my liberties.

[JoFotoz]

I agree...

I'd personally rather wait until more objective facts are in regarding one possibly biased story before I jump on any bandwagon that is suggesting the government is trying to take away my liberties.

......with the codicil that takes into account REAL personal safety.

Next time you fly...enter a court...go to a game...

...ponder personal safety, ponder peace of mind.

I am not a fan of the erosion of liberty/freedom..etc.

But I am a ( huge) fan of living without fear.

It's a huge Catch 22...

No easy answer...

Jo

[Y33TREKker]

I just think that learning more context surrounding the "strident anti-government" messages, and especially the "sharpen my axe..." comment would be helpful for starters.

A person makes such comments in a public forum, aren't a few raised red flags to be expected? It'd be different if the guy had said that stuff in his garage over a few beers with some like-minded buddies, but he apparently didn't.

[bearandbee]

What's left to take away? Between the patriot act and ndaa there is nothing left.

[Scott Larson]

What's left to take away? Between the patriot act and ndaa there is nothing left.

Tell that to the Russians, or the Chinese, or the Syrians, or the Iranians, or the...(Fill in the blank.)

[vt_maverick]

I'm shocked that so many are ready to sacrifice the constitution and freedom

What's left to take away? Between the patriot act and ndaa there is nothing left.

Tell that to the Russians, or the Chinese, or the Syrians, or the Iranians, or the...(Fill in the blank.)

X2 - I had a political science professor in college who was from Bulgaria, spoke 5 languages fluently, and had lived and taught in several different countries. During one of our first lectures he drew a line from one end of a 6' whiteboard to the other and asked us to mark where we thought Democrats and Republicans were on the left/liberal to right/conservative continuum. I think we had them a foot or two apart when he erased both of them and drew them about an inch apart in roughly the middle of the board (and then proceeded to add communists, socialists, religious fundamentalists, etc further apart). He then proceeded to explain to us how the rest of the world (and Europe in particular) is amused at what a big deal we make out of our (relatively) minor disagreements.

I understand the slippery slope argument but sometimes I wonder if growing up in such a free and open country hasn't made us hyper-sensitive to even the most minor incursions. After all, the Declaration of Independence lists "life" and "the pursuit of happiness" alongside liberty as unalienable rights. If we uphold liberty at the expense of the other two are we not missing the point?

[rsteinmetz70112]

And nobody knows what he said in the interview that prompted police to detain him.

I've been in a situation where a fellow student went over the edge. It was a sudden, unexpected, very uncomfortable and stressful situation. He was taken to a health care facility for evaluation. Within 24 hours he was dead. There was no political agenda only a person in crisis.

[JoFotoz]

This thread is very interesting...

The US go is detaining a Marine veteran...
....for his patriotic face book posts. His name is Brandon Rub.

...but we, ( certainly me included!) have strayed from the genesis.


To wit....

What is "patriotic".


Not a term easily defined these days....and often, simply banal party line rhetoric.


Frankly.....it's uber SUBJECTIVE.

Is it Patriotic to squeal on your neighbor...if you have a REAL FEAR?
?
Is it Patriotic to bitch about getting searched at the airport...
...but ya fly with a sense of calm???
?

Back to subjective IMO!

And , here...this will ensue >....


Jo

[rsteinmetz70112]

Completely agree.

This thread started with a POLITICAL STATEMENT, not a statement of concern for a man in trouble.

[VXR]

Completely agree.

This thread started with a POLITICAL STATEMENT, not a statement of concern for a man in trouble.

and???

[Y33TREKker]

and???

X2

This thread was started with a political statement, which was then directly followed by a second political statement from Fox News (an obvious 24/7 anti-democratic reporting "news" channel) masquerading as a faux source of legitimate moral outrage regarding a possible imagined loss of personal liberties.

While the second post may in fact have been intended as simply a statement of concern for a man in trouble, it's still somewhat disingenuous given what most know about Fox News. So rather than be a source for future debate, maybe it'd be best to simply view this instance as an illustration of the importance of choosing sources for backing up a persons' own personal sentiments?

[rsteinmetz70112]

This thread was started with a political statement, which was then directly followed by a second political statement from Fox News (an obvious 24/7 anti-democratic reporting "news" channel) masquerading as a faux source of legitimate moral outrage regarding a possible imagined loss of personal liberties.

While the second post may in fact have been intended as simply a statement of concern for a man in trouble, it's still somewhat disingenuous given what most know about Fox News. So rather than be a source for future debate, maybe it'd be best to simply view this instance as an illustration of the importance of choosing sources for backing up a persons' own personal sentiments?

Since I was the one who posted the second statement. It was intended to correct what I thought was an biased version of the story. I chose the Fox story from among several very similar stores on multiple outlets, precisely because I felt the Fox was likely to be perceived as more sympathetic to his views, not because of any views I hold. In fact I think the Fox story was either based on an AP story or was picked up by AP because so many of the other reports are so similar.

In any event yesterday a judge ordered the Brandon J Raub to be released immediately, so I assume he is home or with family by now.

I wish him well.

[Y33TREKker]

Since I was the one who posted the second statement. It was intended to correct what I thought was an biased version of the story.

I chose the Fox story from among several very similar stores on multiple outlets, precisely because I felt the Fox was likely to be perceived as more sympathetic to his views, not because of any views I hold.

That was the catch though, you say your comment was intended to correct "what you thought was a biased version of the story".....But like the rest of us, you also didn't know what the actual story even was, and was the reason I suggested that a person choosing their sources wisely may serve to nip these debates in the bud from getting off topic in the first place...not to mention the fact that the source you chose would have by proven nature been saying the exact same thing as what was being implied in the first post you say you were trying to correct.

In any event yesterday a judge ordered the Brandon J Raub to be released immediately, so I assume he is home or with family by now.

I wish him well.

If that was simply a statement of support, an not an effort to spin the judges order into an implication that the guy was being held by the "government" for no legitimate reason, I'm sure we would all agree.