Ash...you also have to realize that not all that show up are on this board (there are peeps from at least 3 other boards that I know of). Also organization leads to other problems which is why Zuzoo is now an unifficial, unorganized "get together". Organization requires permits, permits require insurance, insurance equals big $$$...to make it leagle. Through Todd we used to get permited under ejs and the insurance for the week was reasonable...then the blm jacked the ins. rates sky high. The insurance wasn't to cover us but to cover damage to trail property. That is when the "organization" ended.