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[Y33TREKker]

I see Coastie as just being informative, not insane. I also see/think that people are pretty sure about what is going on in the world and realize.... there is nothing we can do about it.

Really no need to sling mud around though.

Agreed. It's always easy to view certain things as harbingers of doom because they sometimes have the appearance of chaos. I happen to think that things are generally more connected than they may appear on the surface though, and aren't always as totally unrelated as some would have you believe.

Take for example the current trouble in the Strait of Hormuz. Does is not seem even a little coincidental that this would be happening and the potential "threat" of higher foreign oil/gas prices would start to be thrown around at the same time that support is trying to be gathered for that Canadian/U.S. pipeline project? An easy way to determine the reality of that possibility would be to look where the powers that be in Washington and Wall Street are currently placing their bets in the stock market.

If a person looks at the list Coastie provided, it seems fairly straightforward how many of the items on that list have money as the root cause of the issues...so yeah...S.N.A.F.U.

[BigSwede]

Take for example the current trouble in the Strait of Hormuz. Does is not seem even a little coincidental that this would be happening and the potential "threat" of higher foreign oil/gas prices would start to be thrown around at the same time that support is trying to be gathered for that Canadian/U.S. pipeline project?

Eh, no coincidence whatsoever. It's just the usual global conspiracy to raise gas prices just before my annual pilgrimage to Moab...happens every year.

[CoastieCosta567]

Well there is an answer, but the answer that I have is one that many ignore or refuse to believe in. Like i mentioned, I'm a Christian that believes in the Bible 100%, so the answer that I believe to be the only way out of all this craziness is God. I believe that if any1, u and I get right with God, then all will be ok. I didn't want to get to this point, for i guessed u guys would come to that conclusion eventually, or even if you don't believe, you can see for ur selfs that the world is going threw great pain right now. Like I said before, I'm not scared, I'm actually the opposite, cuz I know where I stand in my personal walk with God. I didn't want this discussion to go into a religious debate or conversation, for I know many people can't stand that topic and would do anything to avoid it, or ridicule Christianity. SO leaving that aside, now that u guys know my comfort in all this, I simply wanted to inform u guys of things going on, thats it. Again, what u do with this information is up to u all. I just stated some facts, information, a message. I apologize if I have offended any1, and just to be clear here, that was not my intention at all. I'm just informing you guys, and making u all think twice about these issues. Its a different subject and one that i really thought needed to be brought up due to the current threats that could greatly effect all of us. Don't kill the messenger, but question the message.

[BigSwede]

I believe that if any1, u and I get right with God, then all will be ok.

In all seriousness, this is the kind of attitude that causes much of the aforementioned trouble. For example, the guys who flew the airplanes into the World Trade Center believed they were doing God's work and would be "right with God" for having done the deed...not everybody follows the same God, not even close.

[Vendetta]

In all seriousness, this is the kind of attitude that causes much of the aforementioned trouble. For example, the guys who flew the airplanes into the World Trade Center believed they were doing God's work and would be "right with God" for having done the deed...not everybody follows the same God, not even close.

But this argument borders on sanctioning pure secularism and the dismissal of God as merely a shelter of a feeble (or insane) mind.

Theological extremism is at its worst when it compels followers to convert the non-believers at the cost of either - or both - of their lives. But the majority, albeit a shrinking one, of civilized people recognize this and do not try to sell their beliefs to others at the end of a sword, scimitar, gun, IED, etc. Guilt still works pretty good though.

And that's all I have to say about that.

[H3_VX]

In all seriousness, this is the kind of attitude that causes much of the aforementioned trouble. For example, the guys who flew the airplanes into the World Trade Center believed they were doing God's work and would be "right with God" for having done the deed...not everybody follows the same God, not even close.

Most of what is wrong with the world starts with religion IMO.

[Y33TREKker]

Most of what is wrong with the world starts with religion IMO.

And so it begins...

[Scott Larson]

Most of what is wrong with the world starts with religion IMO.

Good point, throughout history, most wars have been fought because of religious beliefs...just sayin'!

[H3_VX]

I'm not a religion basher, I'm only stating fact Y33Trekker.

[CoastieCosta567]

[Scott Harness]

Please go back to the main topic of world issues, and possible threats to our freedoms. That topic in religion will end up in and go no where.

IMHO worship of false idols is not a good idea...has anybody EVER came close to proving the the existence of god...NEVER...on another topic... I chose this quote because "that horse icon is discusting" beating a horse till blood comes out it's mouth...ps god wouldn't let that happen...would he?

[Y33TREKker]

I'm not a religion basher, I'm only stating fact Y33Trekker.

Where exactly was it that I said you were?

[H3_VX]

Where exactly was it that I said you were?

You didn't, I just wanted to make it clear to everyone. I work in facts.

[Vendetta]

I can't...

How can any thinking person look at religion and see only the source of what's wrong in the world? All the caring, all the goodwill, all the selfless and charitable giving to change the lives of countless hundreds of millions of lives? All the donations of all the food and all the shelter both here and throughout the world. All the missionaries, all the educators, all the civil engineers giving of themselves to improve others' lot in this life. All the art, all the music, all the architecture, all the BEAUTY that has come from believing that we're not the final word in this existence.

It saddens me that people are so quick to disregard all the silent good for the sake of the bad done in its name.

[Ldub]

But this argument borders on sanctioning pure secularism and the dismissal of God as merely a shelter of a feeble (or insane) mind.

Theological extremism is at its worst when it compels followers to convert the non-believers at the cost of either - or both - of their lives. But the majority, albeit a shrinking one, of civilized people recognize this and do not try to sell their beliefs to others at the end of a sword, scimitar, gun, IED, etc. Guilt still works pretty good though.

And that's all I have to say about that.

I can't...

How can any thinking person look at religion and see only the source of what's wrong in the world? All the caring, all the goodwill, all the selfless and charitable giving to change the lives of countless hundreds of millions of lives? All the donations of all the food and all the shelter both here and throughout the world. All the missionaries, all the educators, all the civil engineers giving of themselves to improve others' lot in this life. All the art, all the music, all the architecture, all the BEAUTY that has come from believing that we're not the final word in this existence.

It saddens me that people are so quick to disregard all the silent good for the sake of the bad done in its name.

DOH !!!.....

Good try though...