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Buffy VT_Maverick's 5 Speed Swap 12/28/2011, 06:46 PM
vt_maverick So pumped... and I told you... 12/28/2011, 06:50 PM
Buffy Some general shots during the... 12/28/2011, 07:02 PM
Scott Larson Too cool guys, I'm pumped to... 12/28/2011, 07:15 PM
Triathlete If you have any wiring issues... 12/28/2011, 09:50 PM
vt_maverick Billy do you have contact... 12/29/2011, 01:03 AM
Triathlete Might try offrodenut@aol.com 12/29/2011, 07:32 AM
VXorado Woohoo, thanks for posting... 12/29/2011, 12:10 PM
etlsport The center console from a... 12/29/2011, 05:35 AM
vt_maverick Yeah I was looking at pics... 12/29/2011, 09:32 AM
samneil2000 What's the weight difference... 12/29/2011, 06:14 AM
vt_maverick Can you PM it to me and Buffy... 12/29/2011, 01:46 PM
Vendetta Man, if you guys do this... 12/29/2011, 01:51 PM
vt_maverick I know in our discussions the... 12/29/2011, 02:06 PM
Etfren I got a ton of paperwork from... 12/29/2011, 02:27 PM
vt_maverick Don't worry, you'll still... 12/29/2011, 02:50 PM
Buffy Ok, I got a little more done... 12/29/2011, 04:30 PM
Buffy Here are a few pictures of... 12/29/2011, 04:35 PM
Buffy This must be a Trooper thing... 12/29/2011, 04:37 PM
vt_maverick Sweet! :thumbup: 12/29/2011, 06:01 PM
Triathlete That tool looks like a drive... 12/29/2011, 04:48 PM
Buffy Good guess but has nothing to... 12/29/2011, 04:52 PM
vt_maverick Need Help Sourcing Trim 12/30/2011, 10:44 AM
VXorado Seems like you could just cut... 12/30/2011, 02:56 PM
vt_maverick Thanks guys, Earl found one... 12/30/2011, 07:44 PM
Buffy Answer: The "tool" started... 12/30/2011, 08:47 PM
VXorado Thats strange that the... 12/30/2011, 11:31 PM
JAMAS Call here... 12/30/2011, 12:59 PM
Scott Larson Your bearing removal tool... 12/30/2011, 01:11 PM
Scott Larson Thanks Buffy, I thought it... 12/30/2011, 09:04 PM
vt_maverick Well since we have an entire... 12/30/2011, 11:42 PM
Buffy As promised picture time!! ... 12/31/2011, 06:11 AM
Buffy Once I got the cases sorted... 12/31/2011, 06:21 AM
Buffy I got an early start today so... 12/31/2011, 10:37 AM
Vendetta Following this thread with... 12/31/2011, 10:53 AM
vt_maverick You and me both V. ... 12/31/2011, 11:03 AM
BigSwede I think this is going to be a... 12/31/2011, 03:35 PM
Buffy The trans is mated to the... 12/31/2011, 08:01 PM
VXorado You're on a roll & will be... 12/31/2011, 08:18 PM
Buffy I tied up most of the... 01/01/2012, 05:36 PM
LittleBeast Do you have any pictures of... 05/25/2015, 12:19 PM
vt_maverick So looks like the Trooper... 01/01/2012, 06:39 PM
VXorado Whats the difference in the... 01/01/2012, 07:05 PM
Buffy I has to do with how the... 01/01/2012, 07:10 PM
VXorado Thats good info, I remember... 01/01/2012, 07:15 PM
Buffy Yea it matched up nicely. I... 01/01/2012, 07:08 PM
JAMAS This is a good thread to... 01/03/2012, 08:37 AM
WormGod Ya, now if someone would just... 01/04/2012, 06:56 AM
Buffy Over all it hasn't been that... 01/04/2012, 07:20 AM
vt_maverick Sorry to hear that Greg, hope... 01/04/2012, 07:54 AM
eternal21 Great thread! 01/04/2012, 08:43 AM
Buffy I see you are in Austin. I am... 01/04/2012, 10:19 AM
eternal21 Cool. Let me know! If... 01/04/2012, 12:12 PM
Mile High VX I'll be there the week of Feb... 01/05/2012, 08:17 AM
Cris Good luck with your Vx trans... 01/04/2012, 08:53 AM
eternal21 That's where the... 01/04/2012, 09:02 AM
VXorado You lose TOD with the Manual... 01/04/2012, 10:50 AM
Triathlete I can't wait to axe my TOD... 01/04/2012, 04:42 PM
VXorado If I recall correctly,... 01/04/2012, 07:01 PM
BigSwede I think this is correct...it... 01/05/2012, 06:51 AM
Leon R Does this transfer case have... 06/04/2013, 03:56 PM
VXorado No, the 4wd Hi/Low positions... 06/04/2013, 04:39 PM
blacksambo Great work. Did you know... 01/05/2012, 08:05 PM
Buffy I was not aware that Isuzu... 01/06/2012, 05:04 AM
vt_maverick If you have the time that... 01/05/2012, 09:30 PM
vt_maverick Just learned something... the... 01/05/2012, 10:30 PM
VXorado You have boggled my mind with... 01/06/2012, 02:42 AM
vt_maverick Because it's that dumb of an... 01/06/2012, 08:22 PM
VXorado No its a pretty clever... 01/07/2012, 10:28 AM
eternal21 Very much so, just wiring the... 01/07/2012, 12:33 AM
vt_maverick +1, my thoughts exactly... 01/07/2012, 03:08 PM
Buffy Feeling better and got a bit... 01/07/2012, 04:06 PM
Mile High VX Should arrive on Monday along... 01/07/2012, 04:11 PM
blacksambo Also, did you know that the... 01/06/2012, 07:39 AM
vt_maverick No thanks, not trying to make... 01/06/2012, 09:00 AM
blacksambo Good point. Merely letting... 01/06/2012, 01:19 PM
vt_maverick Just razzin' you a bit sambo... 01/06/2012, 08:11 PM
VXorado Can you use the wiring... 01/07/2012, 04:15 PM
Buffy You have to use the harness... 01/07/2012, 04:22 PM
VXorado Okay, that makes sense. 01/07/2012, 04:25 PM
vt_maverick Very cool, glad to hear... 01/07/2012, 04:41 PM
Mile High VX No problem sir...I know you... 01/07/2012, 04:57 PM
Etfren For some reason I am having... 01/08/2012, 02:04 PM
Buffy I have the main harness... 01/08/2012, 04:41 PM
Chopper I'm late to the... 01/08/2012, 04:51 PM
Buffy I installed both the clutch... 01/08/2012, 05:13 PM
rowhard These seem like they are... 01/15/2012, 10:33 AM
vt_maverick Greg - Couple questions for... 01/08/2012, 09:01 PM
Buffy Yes that is the cat in the... 01/09/2012, 05:07 AM
vt_maverick Cool, thanks Greg! 01/09/2012, 06:15 AM
vt_maverick :drool2: Absolutely... 01/14/2012, 06:50 PM
Mile High VX Like a four year old on... 01/14/2012, 06:53 PM
VXorado Yay, looks great.:wishes: 01/14/2012, 07:18 PM
RabidPony So, when can I ship you mine?... 01/14/2012, 08:03 PM
Vendetta Wow. Just... wow.... 01/14/2012, 10:36 PM
Ldub X a factor 0f... 01/15/2012, 07:10 AM
vt_maverick I will try V, have to figure... 01/15/2012, 08:02 AM
Buffy We are all loaded up. Ashley... 01/15/2012, 08:28 AM
VXorado Would you say its best to get... 01/15/2012, 08:46 AM
vt_maverick Well Greg and I met a few... 01/15/2012, 03:58 PM
blacksambo I have to remark here. No... 01/17/2012, 12:01 PM
VXorado Surprisingly the trend is... 01/17/2012, 05:20 PM
vt_maverick Lol - I think if I did a lot... 01/17/2012, 06:21 PM
blacksambo I think you might have the... 01/17/2012, 07:33 PM
vt_maverick Yes they did miss the manual... 01/17/2012, 06:17 PM
VXjunky ashley was this swap... 01/15/2012, 04:39 PM
vt_maverick This swap was on my new (to... 01/15/2012, 04:49 PM
Buffy I am pleased and relieved... 01/15/2012, 06:04 PM
Etfren Fantastic job Buffy! Looks... 01/16/2012, 02:15 AM
RabidPony What year range donor Trooper... 01/16/2012, 06:19 PM
Buffy The 99 Trooper is the best. I... 01/16/2012, 06:24 PM
SilverBullet75 Does it matter what engine it... 01/16/2012, 07:29 PM
vt_maverick According to Edmunds the 3.5... 01/16/2012, 08:28 PM
SilverBullet75 Were there any issues... 01/16/2012, 10:40 PM
Buffy It is a direct swap. Meaning... 01/17/2012, 04:56 AM
VXorado Great, can't wait for the... 01/17/2012, 08:16 AM
vt_maverick VXorado - how many miles on... 01/17/2012, 08:50 AM
VXorado The ad didn't say. I'll be... 01/17/2012, 08:57 AM
SilverBullet75 What kind of mileage do you... 01/17/2012, 11:41 AM
Buffy According to Jerry Lemond... 01/17/2012, 11:56 AM
rsteinmetz70112 If I recall correctly there... 01/17/2012, 12:38 PM
blacksambo I'd be curious to know more... 01/17/2012, 02:29 PM
rsteinmetz70112 Not really it was just... 01/17/2012, 06:03 PM
vt_maverick The Trooper exhaust that we... 01/17/2012, 06:18 PM
vt_maverick You're right, got that... 01/17/2012, 07:47 PM
blacksambo I gotta love your enthusiasm,... 01/17/2012, 07:49 PM
vt_maverick I've got spirit, yes I do,... 01/17/2012, 09:38 PM
LittleBeast Awesome!!!!! So when my 3.5L... 01/17/2012, 10:36 PM
RabidPony So, if an AR-15 shoots 5.56... 01/17/2012, 11:19 PM
Ldub Fiddy... 01/18/2012, 06:09 AM
Buffy Hmmmmmm .223????? 22-20??? :?: 01/18/2012, 06:12 AM
Etfren Thanks for bumping this... 05/27/2012, 02:17 PM
vt_maverick Checked last night and 60 MPH... 05/28/2012, 07:38 AM
Etfren Awesome, thanks for checking.... 05/28/2012, 10:50 AM
89Vette Bigger tires would lower the... 05/28/2012, 01:52 PM
89Vette Pretty darn close to stock. ... 05/28/2012, 01:51 PM
vt_maverick Yeah I've come to realize... 05/28/2012, 03:06 PM
Ldub Fwiw... 05/28/2012, 04:21 PM
Etfren Oh yeah, it accelerates way... 05/30/2012, 01:07 AM
VXorado :grino: I drove the 5 speed... 05/28/2012, 08:03 AM
eternal21 Buffy, I'm wondering if you... 06/30/2012, 02:26 PM
tom4bren I didn't see where anyone had... 03/19/2013, 02:23 PM
tom4bren Hopefully sending the Word... 03/21/2013, 04:26 AM
bartmanS4 Hey Tom, I've got some more... 03/21/2013, 02:52 PM
tom4bren Thanks. I added it to the... 03/25/2013, 06:14 AM
vt_maverick I thought about removing the... 03/25/2013, 03:12 PM
tom4bren Crap 03/26/2013, 02:48 PM
Buffy Very interesting.... been... 03/26/2013, 06:30 PM
bartmanS4 I used the Trooper exhaust... 03/26/2013, 10:04 PM
vt_maverick IIRC the post cat O2 sensors... 03/29/2013, 06:33 PM
kickerfox Hello everyone. Buffy, I'm... 04/11/2013, 11:16 PM
vt_maverick It's an Aisin AR-5. You... 04/12/2013, 07:47 AM
kickerfox Hmm. I wonder why I keep... 04/12/2013, 11:07 AM
vt_maverick Thanks man. The MUA5 was... 04/12/2013, 11:16 AM
Buffy It can bolt to a 3.2. Not... 04/12/2013, 11:47 AM
Buffy While doing the 5 speed swap... 04/12/2013, 11:53 AM
SilverBullet75 YES!! My V8 project is... 04/12/2013, 10:37 PM
housertl As would I. Frankly, I... 04/16/2013, 08:45 AM
kickerfox It's really the bell housing... 04/12/2013, 11:53 AM
SilverBullet75 Ask and ye shall receive...... 04/13/2013, 07:16 PM
kickerfox Wrong one. I was looking for... 04/13/2013, 09:16 PM
SilverBullet75 Awesome! Glad you found it!... 04/13/2013, 09:33 PM
Leon R Bummer :(. Hard to believe... 06/04/2013, 04:43 PM
SilverBullet75 Just a quick verification... ... 06/12/2013, 12:25 PM
bartmanS4 Yes indeed. My donor was a... 06/12/2013, 01:57 PM
SilverBullet75 Awesome! Thank you! 06/12/2013, 02:05 PM
vt_maverick Believe so. IIRC the... 06/12/2013, 12:33 PM
SilverBullet75 That's what I thought too. I... 06/12/2013, 12:37 PM
vt_maverick Stay patient, I paid $800 for... 06/12/2013, 06:32 PM
SilverBullet75 Excellent advice. Thank you.... 06/12/2013, 09:11 PM
bartmanS4 It wouldn't be that... 06/13/2013, 10:03 AM
vt_maverick Definitely would be harder,... 06/13/2013, 06:14 AM
Leon R That is largely dependent on... 06/13/2013, 06:31 AM
vt_maverick Lol... 06/13/2013, 10:03 AM
Buffy The ECU from the 98 or 99... 06/13/2013, 10:30 AM
SilverBullet75 PMing you now! 06/13/2013, 12:11 PM
SilverBullet75 I decided to keep looking for... 06/13/2013, 01:48 PM
Knigh7s I believe its supposed to be... 06/13/2013, 09:08 PM
Leon R Something to keep in mind. ... 06/13/2013, 09:22 PM
SilverBullet75 Interesting point. Vegas... 06/14/2013, 11:26 AM
Leon R Same engine is not enough,... 06/14/2013, 11:47 AM
vt_maverick I can help facilitate this... 06/14/2013, 07:04 PM
housertl Maverick, I very well may... 06/17/2013, 01:24 PM
JAMAS I can't tell you how many... 06/17/2013, 01:40 PM
vt_maverick Offer him $500 and if he says... 06/17/2013, 06:39 PM
Asouljah just did a swap and my truck... 03/02/2015, 07:32 PM
bartmanS4 Not a lot to go on here. I'd... 03/02/2015, 08:44 PM
Buffy Did you plug the security... 03/03/2015, 05:26 AM
Asouljah yes they are plugged in, no... 03/09/2015, 12:02 PM
Asouljah no start 03/09/2015, 12:15 PM
eternal21 K, trying to make sense of... 03/09/2015, 02:36 PM
Asouljah no diagnostic codes. scanner... 03/09/2015, 03:31 PM
eternal21 K. Did you already swap the... 03/09/2015, 03:51 PM
Asouljah yes, same situation both... 03/10/2015, 12:37 AM
LittleBeast I will be doing this swap... 05/07/2015, 09:57 AM
bartmanS4 '98-01 Trooper S models are... 05/07/2015, 10:15 AM
LittleBeast Is the "S" part crucial? I... 05/07/2015, 07:35 PM
eternal21 I usually visit car-parts.com... 05/07/2015, 11:40 PM
bartmanS4 No, the S model is just the... 05/08/2015, 09:38 AM
eternal21 Dunno, man....this is an S... 05/08/2015, 11:44 AM
bartmanS4 I'm not saying all S models... 05/08/2015, 12:47 PM
eternal21 "I see," said the blind man... 05/08/2015, 01:39 PM
Buffy I would recommend an... 05/11/2015, 06:45 AM
LittleBeast Gotcha. So that line will... 05/11/2015, 06:52 AM
Buffy The line will connect at the... 05/12/2015, 01:54 PM
eternal21 The lines are connected to... 05/13/2015, 08:22 AM
LittleBeast I am still searching the vast... 05/14/2015, 08:39 AM
eternal21 Last weekend my buddy and I... 05/14/2015, 09:13 AM
LittleBeast Will either of these work? ... 05/17/2015, 08:52 PM
bartmanS4 Definitely! 05/17/2015, 09:27 PM
LittleBeast Do they need to have TOD? How... 05/18/2015, 05:28 AM
bartmanS4 No, TOD was only on the... 05/18/2015, 05:48 AM
LittleBeast Alright looks like I will be... 05/18/2015, 06:38 AM
LittleBeast I have a '99 Trooper with a 5... 05/21/2015, 10:35 PM
bartmanS4 Sweet! Good luck 05/21/2015, 11:52 PM
eternal21 Congratulations!:) Did you... 05/22/2015, 05:21 PM
Buffy Do you have the clutch pedal... 05/22/2015, 06:11 PM
eternal21 I'm using the Trooper clutch... 05/23/2015, 03:15 AM
bartmanS4 Aren't your clutch and brake... 05/23/2015, 10:31 AM
eternal21 Negative. I wear a size... 05/23/2015, 11:42 PM
LittleBeast Well it looked like the... 05/23/2015, 03:01 PM
VX crazy Ryan what happened to my... 05/23/2015, 06:22 PM
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papi007bulgaria Hello guys. I just had my... 01/08/2016, 06:00 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by VXorado View Post
    If I recall correctly, Troopers with autos have TOD & Troopers with manuals get a non-TOD transfer case.
    Correct.

    I prefer TOD personally but I loves me a manual. Talk about a dilemma....
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    Quote Originally Posted by VXorado View Post
    If I recall correctly, Troopers with autos have TOD & Troopers with manuals get a non-TOD transfer case.
    I stand corrected...my brain for some reason was not seeing auto vs. manual, it was in the gray area
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    Quote Originally Posted by VXorado View Post
    You lose TOD with the Manual Trooper as its only a 2wd-4hi-4lo. Also you get a 2-1 low gear () on the transfer case with the Trooper. Keeping the VX transfer case with this swap is key.
    Does this transfer case have a "center" differential, so that it could operate on dry roads like an AWD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leon R View Post
    Does this transfer case have a "center" differential, so that it could operate on dry roads like an AWD?
    No, the 4wd Hi/Low positions are locked. You'll be rolling around in 2wd for dry pavement.

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    Great work. Did you know Isuzu built at least five VX's with manual shift and TOD??? Yes, that's right, rally competition models. You can verify this plus learn a thing or two by consulting the VX parts book. Sections 2-20 and beyond detail the pedals etc. If you don't have access let me know, I'll have my wife scan and post the manual transmission pages. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacksambo View Post
    Great work. Did you know Isuzu built at least five VX's with manual shift and TOD??? Yes, that's right, rally competition models. You can verify this plus learn a thing or two by consulting the VX parts book. Sections 2-20 and beyond detail the pedals etc. If you don't have access let me know, I'll have my wife scan and post the manual transmission pages. Good luck.
    I was not aware that Isuzu made 5 manual VXs. Learn something new every day. If you could scan the documentation I would love to read it!

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    If you have the time that would be great!!!

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    Just learned something... the same AR-5 manual that we're swapping into my VX was also used on the Pontiac Solstice GXP. That car featured a dual-turbo 2.0 L I4 Ecotec engine that made 260 hp and 260 lb-ft torque while getting 19/28 MPG. The VX is heavier by almost a thousand pounds, but you'd drop a good chunk of that just by going from a V6 to an I4...

    So since we know an AR-5 mates to an Ecotec engine is it conceivable that you could swap that engine instead? Discuss...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vt_maverick View Post
    So since we know an AR-5 mates to an Ecotec engine is it conceivable that you could swap that engine instead? Discuss...
    You have boggled my mind with this statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VXorado View Post
    You have boggled my mind with this statement.
    Because it's that dumb of an idea? Or because it's unthinkable to go "down" to a four-banger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vt_maverick View Post
    Because it's that dumb of an idea? Or because it's unthinkable to go "down" to a four-banger?
    No its a pretty clever question and after thinking about it for a while, I didn't have a good answer.

    Heavy VX= bad canidate for a 4 cylinder

    I4 smaller/lighter than 3.5L= good weight shed for VX

    I4 turbos= possible annoying turbo lag (maybe not since there's 2)

    I4 more HP= that's all good

    I4 better MPG= also all good

    Sky/Solstice short production run= that engine could cost big $$$

    Too many pros/cons to make a stance. I think its a great idea as long as the extra 45HP goes to the wheels. Then again the MPG alone may make the swap worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VXorado View Post
    No its a pretty clever question and after thinking about it for a while, I didn't have a good answer.

    Heavy VX= bad canidate for a 4 cylinder

    I4 smaller/lighter than 3.5L= good weight shed for VX

    I4 turbos= possible annoying turbo lag (maybe not since there's 2)

    I4 more HP= that's all good

    I4 better MPG= also all good

    Sky/Solstice short production run= that engine could cost big $$$

    Too many pros/cons to make a stance. I think its a great idea as long as the extra 45HP goes to the wheels. Then again the MPG alone may make the swap worth it.
    Often top HP numbers don't tell the whole story. For a 2-ton vehicle, torque is an important consideration. It doesn't matter how much HP you generate if it takes 20-seconds getting it from 0-25mph. (IOW if that HP doesn't happen until higher rpms)

    Responsiveness is usually a product of cubic inches and compression. OTOH, I haven't driven a dual turbo 4-cylinder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vt_maverick View Post
    Just learned something... the same AR-5 manual that we're swapping into my VX was also used on the Pontiac Solstice GXP. That car featured a dual-turbo 2.0 L I4 Ecotec engine that made 260 hp and 260 lb-ft torque while getting 19/28 MPG. The VX is heavier by almost a thousand pounds, but you'd drop a good chunk of that just by going from a V6 to an I4...

    So since we know an AR-5 mates to an Ecotec engine is it conceivable that you could swap that engine instead? Discuss...
    Very much so, just wiring the instrument cluster would be the biggest concern. Add'l info: there is also a 2.4 non turbo engine, and it would also appear that the aforementioned 2.0 is the same engine in the Cobalt SS and HHR SS, as per ebay auction 130586906920.

    I, for one, in order to increase gas mileage would strongly consider a 2.0L w/a 5MT, especially since there are aftermarket parts to boost the power of the 2.0L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eternal21 View Post
    Very much so, just wiring the instrument cluster would be the biggest concern. Add'l info: there is also a 2.4 non turbo engine, and it would also appear that the aforementioned 2.0 is the same engine in the Cobalt SS and HHR SS, as per ebay auction 130586906920.

    I, for one, in order to increase gas mileage would strongly consider a 2.0L w/a 5MT, especially since there are aftermarket parts to boost the power of the 2.0L.
    +1, my thoughts exactly (mileage AND power without adding the weight of extra cylinders). I wonder if you could just replace the VX instrument cluster with a Solstice / Sky / HHR / Cobalt cluster? You'd lose the TOD lights and odometer, but maybe something could be worked out? I suppose it depends on how integrated the clusters are.

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    Feeling better and got a bit more done.

    Completed pedals and interior...



    I took my dremel and opened up the stock console some to accommodate the shift pattern. I am still trying to find a shift boot for this...



    I took the connectors for the auto and taped them to the harness. Here is the harness ready to be installed...



    Here is where all the majic happens. I am having a connector sent to me and will make a harness for the clutch switch, backup light switch, and hopefully cruise...



    I ran the breather tube for the transfer case up into the engine compartment...



    The big challenge is getting the wires run and connected to the correct O2 sensor. Another challenge is keeping wires away from the hot exhaust parts.

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