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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Larson View Post
    Yes, a stickey ring. At idle the ring conforms just fine to the cylinder walls. At higher rpm the ring cannot move in the lands fast enough to seal against compression, resulting in blowby, hence your mess...You could try a flushing agent such as Sea Foam in your crankcase and hope for the best, otherwise a rebuild may be in your future. Sorry.
    Quote Originally Posted by PK View Post

    So, it is possible to have excessive blowby without being an oil burner, and vice-versa.

    PK
    Quote Originally Posted by Y33TREKker View Post
    If it's blowby though, isn't the only way that oil could get back up into the intake is if it went through the PCV system? No excess pressure at the oil filler cap would seem to indicate that it's not blowby, although if it was only checked at idle the higher rpm condition described wouldn't have been addressed.

    For whatever reason, the PCV systems on individual VX's seem to just be hit or miss as to whether they function correctly. A simple breather filter to replace the PCV valve eliminates even the chance of what's being described as happening though.

    If a VX suffers from oil usage because of a problem with the piston rings, oil usage is going to occur anyway, regardless of whether a PCV system is even in place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Larson View Post
    Further discussion? Don't mind if I do, thanks!

    Positive Crankcase Ventilation is exactly that, it allows for the ever-changing volume of air in the crankcase to be expelled and subequently replaced as the volume changes due to the reciprocating pistons in their bores. If you introduce an oil mist into that atmosphere, either due to oil being blown by the pistons rings or too much oil in the sump being contacted by the crank journals, that oil will find it's way out of the pcv system along with the air. A small amount of oil mist is normal, it is when it becomes excessive that you have the problem described...ultimately, it is the function of the pcv valve to regulate or control the volume of air entering or leaving the crankcase, not to separate oil from that air. Provided all internal baffles are in place to impede the flow of normal oil mist, a catch can is not required.

    Hope that helps!
    Just curious how this all works.....So when you say "blowby", does that mean the oil or oil mist actually gets PAST the piston ring when it's going up/down, but not fast enough, and is pushed up and out of the cylinder through the PCV?
    Why wouldn't that oil/mist combust within the cylinder and result in white smoke?


    PK, explain this again.....
    "So, it is possible to have excessive blowby without being an oil burner, and vice-versa."


    Overall, I'm still amazed at how important that dang $3 part is.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by VX KAT View Post

    PK, explain this again.....
    "So, it is possible to have excessive blowby without being an oil burner, and vice-versa."

    Well, this is my understanding of how piston rings work, but I am not specifically a trained mechanic.

    The top ring is solid in cross section, and slides hard against the cylinder wall. It has the primary function of keeping the combustion gasses and compression, in the combustion chamber. Excessive blowby occurs if this ring, or the cylinder walls, are worn or scratched. Also, if the ring groove in the piston is worn, the ring can stick so that it is not hard against the cylinder wall.

    The bottom ring has special contours in cross section. Its prime function is to take most of the oil (not all) off of the cylinder walls. This oil is thrown up by splashing of the crankshaft etc as it rotates, and also from the oily mist that is always in the sump when an engine is operating. This ring actually guides some of the oil back into the ring groove and back to sump through drain holes in the piston skirt. That is why there has been some talk about the piston drain holes being responsible for the VX burning oil. If the drain holes clog up, or the ring wears or sticks, you have an oil burner.

    The middle ring helps restrict any blowby that gets past the top ring, and any oil that gets past the bottom ring. It also covers the "gap" area in the top and bottom rings. But it is not 100% efficient in either role, so if the other rings are worn, some of the excess still gets past.

    Depending on what is worn and how much, you can have an oil burner that still has good compression and no blowby. You can also have excessive blowby and not be a large consumer of oil.
    However, the normal would be for relatively even wear, and you have both blowby and oil burning.

    Note that the rings are never 100% efficient.
    If the oil rings took every little bit of oil off the cylinder walls, the top ring would wear very quickly, so a small film of oil is always there to lubricate the top ring.
    This is what is considered "normal" oil consumption, and different manufacturers will rate their engines differently.


    Now, you guys have to decide if I have blinded you with science, or baffled you with bull scat??

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