Earthquake

[Y33TREKker]

Uh Oooooo...

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Jerry "LDub" Springer to the rescue.

[Ldub]

Jerry "LDub" Springer to the rescue.

[workmeistr]

I felt it pretty good in a 50 year old building at Norfolk NAS (yes, I'm here again, Ash). I might need to come visit you, Ashley, to escape the hurricane. Thanks, VA...

[VXR]

In a scene from the film Weld County landowner Mike Markham is shown with director Josh Fox igniting gas from a tap water faucet in his home with a cigarette lighter, which the film attributes to natural gas exploration in the area

are you referring to THIS

[FlyingV77]

So your going to take the word of the "scientists" that are on the payrole of the oil/gas companys, when they say that the oil/gas co didn't do it. As for the earthquakes in DFW, we sit on a major stress fault in the middle of the plate, that has been inactive for as long as people have live here. We've only had them sence they started fracking in this area. How fracking affects it is this.. high presser going in. Changes the balance, then the pressure is reliced up setting it further causing the ground to settle and "quake". Same prenciple as when a house foundation settles and cracks. Now go do your own reserch, I don't get paid to educate people.

[circmand]

I mean seriously, if the process was as absolutely safe as some tend to imply, you'd think that the name they'd have come up with would have been better than fracking.

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The name means it's dangerous. The name comes from the process. The gas is in small pockets of shale/rock. The drillers using high pressure water fractures the rock freeing the gas which is then captured and processed. It is the same process used in other mining all over the world. Do you really think there is a process where people sit around and say this is dangerous we need to pick a name from the dangerous process list. And hell if it were a real conspiracy wouldn't they instead pick a name like flower puppying so as to fool all the brilliant ecoidiots who base their beliefs on the name of the process instead of science?

[circmand]

So your going to take the word of the "scientists" that are on the payrole of the oil/gas companys, when they say that the oil/gas co didn't do it. As for the earthquakes in DFW, we sit on a major stress fault in the middle of the plate, that has been inactive for as long as people have live here. We've only had them sence they started fracking in this area. How fracking affects it is this.. high presser going in. Changes the balance, then the pressure is reliced up setting it further causing the ground to settle and "quake". Same prenciple as when a house foundation settles and cracks. Now go do your own reserch, I don't get paid to educate people.

There were earthquakes along that major fauly in 2008 and 2009 before fracking even started there. There is some research that the quakes during the process was caused by salt water disposal wells drilled in the area but the studies have determined that it had nothing to do with fracking. The very name MAJOR STRESS FAULT tells you quakes are just a matter of time. It's a good thing you are not the one educating us as the words are pressure not presser, released not reliced, principal npt prenciple and research not reserch. Perhaps these misspellings are the reason the sites you go to for information are full of quack science as real scientists probably can spell the words correctly.

[Y33TREKker]

The name means it's dangerous. The name comes from the process. The gas is in small pockets of shale/rock. The drillers using high pressure water fractures the rock freeing the gas which is then captured and processed. It is the same process used in other mining all over the world. Do you really think there is a process where people sit around and say this is dangerous we need to pick a name from the dangerous process list. And hell if it were a real conspiracy wouldn't they instead pick a name like flower puppying so as to fool all the brilliant ecoidiots who base their beliefs on the name of the process instead of science?

Are you serious? Have you never seen an episode of Battlestar Gallactica....or looked up the definition of the word "joke" in the dictionary?

And why was that the only part of my post that you responded to? Did the part about the dollar signs making people look the other way make too much sense? Those lawyers you referenced sound like the ones Erin Brockovich faced in the movie made about her.

[Osteomata]

That strikes me as a rather bad strawman. The COGCC is pretty independent, and has pissed off the oil and gas industry with some rule rewrites since their reorg a few years back. Their report on this subject is comprehensive, and is consistant with many other studies regarding the threat of ground water intrusion by fracking. Put up against your evidence, which consists of a carefully selected scene from a film, then yes I will go with those evil scientists. You do yourself no favors by adding in the the earthquake theory, the silliness of which allows people to dismiss what might be legit concerns in the rest of your argument. I think it is possible that evidence may come up that reveals some danger from fracking, but right not it is not solid at all, and natural gas is certainly preferable to coal, particuarly mountain top removal coal mining, in terms of ecological impact.

Having said that, circmand's reference to the evil "ecoidiot" fabulists and their propoganda is rather onesided, its not like the most powerful industries in the world, of which oil and gas is surely one of them, don't produce enormous amounts of clearly self serving BS PR, and in my book far more of it.

So your going to take the word of the "scientists" that are on the payrole of the oil/gas companys, when they say that the oil/gas co didn't do it. As for the earthquakes in DFW, we sit on a major stress fault in the middle of the plate, that has been inactive for as long as people have live here. We've only had them sence they started fracking in this area. How fracking affects it is this.. high presser going in. Changes the balance, then the pressure is reliced up setting it further causing the ground to settle and "quake". Same prenciple as when a house foundation settles and cracks. Now go do your own reserch, I don't get paid to educate people.

[Y33TREKker]

watch gasland...

Weld County

In a scene from the film Weld County landowner Mike Markham is shown with director Josh Fox igniting gas from a tap water faucet in his home with a cigarette lighter, which the film attributes to natural gas exploration in the area. In 2008 The Colorado Oil & Gas Conservation Commission (COGCC) investigated a complaint made by Markham alleging that nearby natural gas operations impacted his domestic water well.[10] Laboratory tests concluded that Markham’s water well contained biogenic methane, a combustible gas that occurs naturally in underground coal beds.[10] Further investigation revealed that Markham’s water well had been drilled through four different coal beds containing naturally occurring biogenic methane gas. The 2008 investigation concluded that "there [were] no indications of oil & gas related impacts to [Markham's] water well." It was also concluded that the water well of Weld County landowner Renee McClure, also featured in the film, contained naturally occurring biogenic methane not related to oil and gas activity in the area...

I haven't seen Gasland, so I'm curious about a piece of information that wasn't included in that paragraph.

Was the question ever posed to either of the landowners mentioned of whether they'd been able to light their well water on fire before the oil and gas activity started in the area?

[JAMAS]

If you need me, I'll be flower puppying

[VXR]

I haven't seen Gasland, so I'm curious about a piece of information that wasn't included in that paragraph.

Was the question ever posed to either of the landowners mentioned of whether they'd been able to light their well water on fire before the oil and gas activity started in the area?

good question

I watched it a while ago so perhaps circ can tell us when he watches it or finds something else to copy and paste from wikipedia

[RickOKC]

If you need me, I'll be flower puppying

Hey, at least you aren't puppy de-flowering. That's still illegal in some areas where fracking is common.

Sorry, as another Battlestar Galactica fan, I can't read comments about "fracking" without cracking up! So sue me... I'm the world's oldest 10-year-old.

[circmand]

Are you serious? Have you never seen an episode of Battlestar Gallactica....or looked up the definition of the word "joke" in the dictionary?

And why was that the only part of my post that you responded to? Did the part about the dollar signs making people look the other way make too much sense? Those lawyers you referenced sound like the ones Erin Brockovich faced in the movie made about her.

I am still waiting from my original post about causing earthquakes from you. I would have written more but there comes a point that your arguements get to ignorant and filled with misspellings that to even respond gives them more integrity then they deserve.

As for paid scientists who do you think is paying for the ones who put forth the arguements that agree with the enviromentalists? Then you have Al Gore a tobacco farmer who was pro tobacco before he was against who seems to be the main scientist for man made global warming despite the fact he has no scientific training. Add to that all the destroyed data that the pro man made global warming scientists claim they had that proved their case.

[Osteomata]

It was only a matter of time before circmand strayed into denialism, conspiracy mongering, and gross mistatements of scientific consensus about anthropogenic global warming.