right, because gross generalizations about the entire gay community based upon you seeing a gay parade is not at all f-ing homophobic. but please, pretend it was just an abbreviation. Perhaps you can include an animal metaphor about "those people."
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right, because gross generalizations about the entire gay community based upon you seeing a gay parade is not at all f-ing homophobic. but please, pretend it was just an abbreviation. Perhaps you can include an animal metaphor about "those people."
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I thought you said you would respond tomorrowOriginally Posted by Osteomata
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Green Smilie = Not Pissed On Or Off...
That's quite a lot of pissed offedness for what you have to admit is a pretty understandable word assumption based upon some sort of expectation that I can psychically determine that when you say "well paying" you mean nearly minimum wage. But you sound exactly like the type of person who would dramatically benefit from a modernized and fairer medical insurance system, one that provided coverage for these health tragedies while controlling overall costs to the public, such that our medical costs in the US were not nearly twice that of other OECD countries while providing inferior basic care. ..
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No thanks, I know the swiftness & quality of socialized medical care in other countries, through the actual experiences of relatives/friends who either live there, or have recently visited...both N & S.
I have a cuz in CANADA, & a step bro in MEXICO, & neither of them has ever lied to me in the past 4-50 yrs of our acquaintance.
I'd like the "free 4 life" coverage that those who were elected by their "subserviant underlings" enjoy please...
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It is why I insist on calling certain programs a safety net rather than welfare
tay-tow-tot-tow...call it what you will...
Immigration seems to be your hobby horse, and it was not my intention to get into that. But how noble it is that you will acknowledge "a few" of them are decent. Do I take it that that means the vast majority are not? And yet statistics suggest that the overwhelming majority are in fact decent people, working to make a life, paying taxes and social security even when they will not be permitted to collect on several big categories of the benefits. Many of our lowest crime rate cities are the ones with the highest Latino immigration rates.
Well, to put a point on this fact first...I purposely didn't mention any race of Latino persuasion, knowing that would be later carted out as the "example" of what I said...NOPE...BS denied!
Next point, in no particular order..."a few" is who I know, the "overwhelming majority" is who I see on the news & in the "crime report" of the daily paper...yeah, I know...the police blotter is being spun by Glenn Beck...
As too birth control issues, I agree! But that is absolutely not a problem exclusive to immigrants, who in fact dramatically reduce birth rates within a generation of arrival. Continued ability to distribute birth control, funding of planned parenthood, and provide something other than the demonstrably worthless abstinence only sex ed are but a few ways to help deal with the staggering costs associated with excessive teen and unwed pregnancies.
Well of COURSE
... going from 12 spawn, needed to keep the family stump bog afloat in the old (non industrialized) (see, I'm work'n witcha here, I didn't say 3rd world $k1# hole...
) country, to 6 spawn is a 50 % reduction....O happy Day!!!
As for Ldub, I don't get it either. Seems to me that sober employees are more dependable and less likely to get hurt than high employees.
Couldn't agree more...
HOWEVER
...since when did dear ol' dads insurance co$t preclude my constituional right to " life, liberty & the persuit of happiness?...or my "supposed" presumption of innocence until proven guilty?
Piss'n me on the presumption of possible guilt is....
VERY heavy handed for someone that calls him or herself an american. JMO.
What I do with my time away from work is MY business, as long as it has no effect on my attendance, or ability to perform the tasks that have been assigned to me, there should be no right to search my piss for "possible" guilt. What right are YOU willing to give up for the betterment of dads business?
If I'm caught doing something illegal by the LAW, then I deserve to be punished & scrutinized, but to be searched under the presumption of guilt?...seriously?
"The economy was to be subordinate to the goals of the political leadership of the state"...one of the beliefs of nazism...
Figure out which direction you wanna see this country go...
BTW...tell pop to start his shifts "artificially" 25 min earlier...then everyone will be on time for work...
Kind of like bright orange or pink prison jumpsuits. In this aspect, the ends justify the means.
HUGE fan of Sheriff Joe, & HERE'S WHY...
SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!
You all remember Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona, who painted the jail cells pink and made the inmates wear pink prison garb. Well.........
SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!
Oh, there's MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!
Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors said okay.
The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who'd like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.
The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago. He was neutered, and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him. Cost us $78.
The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.
I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.
He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the Holidays, and plant it later.. We have six trees in our yard from the Prison.
Yup, he was re-elected last year with 83% of the vote. Now he's in trouble with the ACLU again. He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural, that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn't doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border. He's kind of a 'Git-R Dun' kind of Sheriff.
TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO
HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF
AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona ) created the 'Tent City Jail':
He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.
He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights. Cut off all but 'G' rated movies.
He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.
Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.
He took away cable TV until he found out there was a Federal Court Order that required cable TV for jails so he hooked up the cable TV again; only let in the Disney Channel and the Weather Channel.
When asked why the Weather Channel he replied, 'So they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my Chain Gangs.'
He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.
When the inmates complained, he told them 'This isn't the Ritz/Carlton......if you don't like it, don't come back!'
More On The Arizona Sheriff:
With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports:
About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.
On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.
Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their PINK SOCKS.
'It feels like we are in a furnace', said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the TENTS for 1 year. 'It's Inhumane.'
Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: 'It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths!'
Way to go, Sheriff!
Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.
IMO...Sheriff Joe 4 PREZ in 2012!...
LOL...
Just kidding X2
HEY!!!...I believe "those people", or at least "them", was MY metaphor...
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...since when did dear ol' dads insurance co$t preclude my constituional right to " life, liberty & the persuit of happiness?...or my "supposed" presumption of innocence until proven guilty?
Piss'n me on the presumption of possible guilt is....
VERY heavy handed for someone that calls him or herself an american. JMO.
What I do with my time away from work is MY business, as long as it has no effect on my attendance, or ability to perform the tasks that have been assigned to me, there should be no right to search my piss for "possible" guilt. What right are YOU willing to give up for the betterment of dads business?
If I'm caught doing something illegal by the LAW, then I deserve to be punished & scrutinized, but to be searched under the presumption of guilt?...seriously?
So if I see someone doing a crime, I should do nothing about it unless the law catches them??
Oops, I think I wasn't clear on this part. He has no choice but to test them. If he doesn't, his insurance rates go way up, and then he loses money. As a company that is trying to not outsource to the China, every penny counts. The VPs took huge paycuts in order to minimize layoffs. (We are talking about VPs that only make 100k a year, not 1.5mil a year) This a company that takes care of its people, if they are willing to contribute to the company. The idea being that if you have an incentive to see your company succeed, ie-stock shares, bonuses and so on, you will try harder.
He would rather not piss test except at hiring, of if they have an accident or whatnot. But with his insurance being a significant cost in the mix, he has to. He provides coverage to his full time employees, so thinking about how much health care costs, you can see why he would do this.
Sorry if that didn't come out the way it was supposed to.
Justin,
That is a much better way to portray what I was trying to say about the Mormons. It wasn't anecdotal, it was supposed to represent Mormon policy. As a rule, they (of course not all, calm down osteo) or rather as a culture, they do not let their members go on welfare, food stamps, government aid and so on. They take care of their own.
Here we go again, as a nation, PC BS has led to minority catering. I was under the impression that democracy fundamentally meant majority rules. Apparently it only rules so long as you don't offend or not coddle each minority, be it, color, ethnic, religious, sexual orientation or otherwise.
Its ok for the government to overstep its boundaries and take my money away from me, but when it comes to making them pee in a cup to get my money, thats going to far? Riiiight, that makes a lot of sense. Throwing the PC flag is a justified call, its not a cop out to be a bigot, although it wouldn't matter anyway. BO got all kinds of flack were referring to the Special Olympics with regards to his bowling skills. Who cares? Apparently, the uber minority of special olympics folks, and guess what, now you can't even say retard. How many words are going to be black listed? Watch the movie idiocracy, that is where we are heading.
We don't want people to be self sufficient, we want people to do what they are told, yet be free while doing it at the same time? Can't have both.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
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water? you mean like in the toilet...
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Just a thought, no numbers or anything, but I don't think illegal immigrants want amnesty. It would destroy their niche completely. Right now they are in high demand because as an employee, they have a low overhead. No taxes, no insurance, no SS and so on. They can do the same job for half the cost. Make them all citizens, backdate their tax/ss/fees debt and now they can't work for below minimum wage anymore. That would ruin everything they have right now, and then a flood of more illegals would have to arrive to take their spot. No, if I was a hardworking illegal trying to make it in the US because Mexico and other Hispanic countries suck, making me a legal citizen would be the last thing I want. Driver's license, insurance, having to follow laws and so on. It would completely remove what makes me special and desirable.
Those positions at the bottom will still exist and need to be filled, that means more illegals will flock to fill them. Then those that were illegal are jobless and no longer competitive, and so become a bigger safety net burden?
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xx...since when did dear ol' dads insurance co$t preclude my constituional right to " life, liberty & the persuit of happiness?...or my "supposed" presumption of innocence until proven guilty?
Piss'n me on the presumption of possible guilt is....
VERY heavy handed for someone that calls him or herself an american. JMO.
What I do with my time away from work is MY business, as long as it has no effect on my attendance, or ability to perform the tasks that have been assigned to me, there should be no right to search my piss for "possible" guilt. What right are YOU willing to give up for the betterment of dads business?
If I'm caught doing something illegal by the LAW, then I deserve to be punished & scrutinized, but to be searched under the presumption of guilt?...seriously?
"So if I see someone doing a crime, I should do nothing about it unless the law catches them??"
x
YEAH...THAT'S EXACTLY what was meant when I went all indignant over ILLEGAL searches of my piss under the presumption (without ANY evidence) of guilt...
How could you possibly comprehend my statement to mean "stand by & do nothing?...seriously...
It's not daddys job, NOR the job of the company he works for, to police my piss under the PRESUMPTION OF GUILT, & without probable cause.
I can see it in my mind...
"dod: think we should test this one for drugs?"
"other subordinate employ: Well YEAH...he filled out an ap right?...there's your probable cause...
You'd HAVE to be on drugs to wanna work here...
You are awfully fond of quoting some of those who framed the constitution, yet have no problem looking the other way when it's something wrong (re-read the constitution again, especially the part about search & seizure) being done in the name of corp profits.
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
OK, the insurance co$t argument...
If in fact it were true:
Bow down to your corporate overlords peon...
A far more likely scenario is:
With paid time away from work, combined with the actual co$t of the lab work, x however many employees they are testing...
I have tremendous doubt if that argument holds much water.
Oops, I think I wasn't clear on this part. He has no choice but to test them. If he doesn't, his insurance rates go way up, and then he loses money. As a company that is trying to not outsource to the China, every penny counts. The VPs took huge paycuts in order to minimize layoffs. (We are talking about VPs that only make 100k a year, not 1.5mil a year) This a company that takes care of its people, if they are willing to contribute to the company. The idea being that if you have an incentive to see your company succeed, ie-stock shares, bonuses and so on, you will try harder.
He would rather not piss test except at hiring, of if they have an accident or whatnot. But with his insurance being a significant cost in the mix, he has to. He provides coverage to his full time employees, so thinking about how much health care costs, you can see why he would do this.
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No, the constitution protects you from the government searching you and so on against your will. My dad's factory is not a government agency, and you provide your urine of your own free will. He can't make you. You have a choice!!!!! He just won't hire you. No law against that. As an employee, think of yourself as a tool for the company so to speak. You want the best tools possible. You wouldn't do precision machining with a Harbor Freight lathe? You get the idea.
His company also makes his guys and girls cut their hair, or else it has to be compressed under a helmet. If it doesn't fit, then you get it removed. Lots of heavy machinery and rotating machinery, its not a safe place for loose clothing/hair.
Guess what, I have to wear a uniform to work, shave, have my haircut a specific way and so on. I can't bring my phone to work, and I get random searched all the time, for no reason, just cause, just in case I might have a phone. Where is the ACLU!!! My rights are being violated!!!
No, an employer should be able to do an initial drug test, he is investing time in money on you. He should be able to tests if there is an accident, or reasonable cause. If you don't like it, work somewhere else. Thats the glory, you have a choice!!!
I would test drive a car, check the oil, and so on If I was buying a home, I would have it inspected, check the attic and so on. An employee is potentially a 50 year investment.
Here is another good one, if I get in trouble out in town, say a DUI, I do my civil court stuff and so on. Then I come back to work and do it again, where I get reduced in rank,(lowered pay, no chance for promotion...and possibly even fired. You would expect that since your tax dollars are going to fund this operation, you should have safe operators. Essentially I work for you. Wouldn't trust a drunk/drug guy with a million dollar machine would you? Would you want to put your life in the hands of a heroin addict? Working in a factory with 200 ton presses, metal saws, robotic welders and so on is no different. Its a dangerous job if you aren't paying attention.
I am a volunteer in the military, I knew the rules when I signed up. I had a choice to not work here.
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X2
Just this past Monday I got to work all blurry from too much partying over the weekend - wasn't paying attention to what I was doing - got a paper cut - hurt like hell. I wonder if I should file workman's comp???
JK, I'm a G-Civ. I didn't come to work on Monday ... & nobody even noticed.
Interesting turn of events yesterday though. They MADE me fill out an application to telecommute. No problem there (I commute 45 miles each way) I'll telecommute however I can, whenever I can.
Here's the rub: If post ever closes for weather or if the Government ever shuts down for $$$, I HAVE to put in my 9 from home (potentially for free).
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Put a smiley after you say that Bub.
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Wow, that fizzled out pretty quick. How boring. Come on, there has to be something else, some kind of counter somewhere in there.
I was having fun!!! Just like Osteo said, better to argue over what we disagree on than to talk about how much we agree on something else.
I even threw in a jab on the billions we spend on Indians.
Last edited by Marlin : 08/11/2011 at 05:42 PM
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Ummmmmmmmm...no thanx, you enjoy your status as a "tool"...I'd rather be poor...
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you could be bothUmmmmmmmmm...no thanx, you enjoy your status as a "tool"...I'd rather be poor...
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