Super VXer
It's real simple Dub, your living in a country of idiots.Originally Posted by Ldub
But I'd like to know why...
I have to provide a clean urine sample to get most any well paying job.
Yet those who receive the benefits of my labors, through socialist govt programs, have to provide nothing more than a signature & a pulse...
Someone PLEASE splain it to me...
Super VXer
I guess my processor must be a democrat then.
Thats because it wasn't an apple processor.
Super VXer
Emphatically NO!!!...I NEVER said HIGH paying, I said well paying, as in $8-9.00 an hour, yeah, you heard me right. I've had to piss just to do menial labor on the bagging floor of a sunflower seed processing facility, I've had to piss for the privilege of doing carpentry work, from framing to finish, & most disciplines between the foundation & the shingles, I've also had to submit to a test of my precious bodily fluids for the right to work WAY too many 0000-0800 shifts as a security guard...LUCKY F-N me!
All done under the guise of lower insurance rates...
A couple of those jobs included the option of purchasing medical/dental & vision coverage, my current job has no such option.
You will probably reply that it's my choice to work in these capacities, & due to a few bad choices in my mis-spent yoot, I probably should have gotten a better education after graduating high school...at the time, it wasn't a real option, & i'm OK with that.
In the mean time, organizations such as lutheran socialist services continue to bring "refugees", from third world $h*# holes around the globe, into our community, to place an even larger burden on all aspects of local & federal social betterment programs.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...I live from check 2 check, make just slightly too much to qualify for any type of government assistance, & DREAD having to sell my truck & guns & what not, to cover whatever medical emergency/procedure (priced a colonoscopy lately?, or having a tooth pulled/filled?, or maybe even a splenectomy, or the removal of a gall bladder that's gone on the fritz?) that may well blip the radar after reaching the age of fiddy.
Why yes, there are a few of "them" who are fine upstanding citizens, & I have more than a few friends who qualify as "upstanding them", including friends from Sudan, Usbekistan, Somalia, & Bosnia.
However, there are an equal, if not greater number of "them" who are out most evenings cutting cats off parked vehicles for the recycling $ (I know, industrious, creative, & eco friendly), burglarizing homes, & just being $h*# heads in general...you're damned right there are a lot of home grown, hard working, well armed SOB's out here in the heartland wondering why they've gotta go PP in a cup to support all this crap....
Oh, & lest we forget all the children...HELLO...if you're already impoverished, & receiving every conceivable form of govt assistance, the logical thing to do would be:
1 - get the unit, (on either mom OR pop (if you know who that might be)) fixed.(prolly won't co$t much...y'all welcome, that's something I wouldn't mind helping to finance...)
2 - practice some other form of birth control ( I happen to know that this option is available at little or NO cost through various organizations, such as planned parenthood or community health (MUCH cheaper for those of us paying the bills than another mouth to feed, clothe, educate, etc)
OR...
3 - keep popp'n em' out every 10-11 months, thereby insuring a continuous flow of free $ until the last one is "out da house", & the aged "hoo-hoo" won't put bread on the table no more.
To say that you (anyone in disagreement) & i see things differently would be a safe bet, & that's OK by me...you're still one of my VX brethren &/or sistren...
Stigmatizing poverty?...yeah, you got me...... I AM poverty, with no freebies.
Why NO...I don't have cable, a cel phon, or food stamps. I use as many coopn's as I can get my hands on to reduce the grocery bill...wonder how many "on the dole" use coopn's...Got any stats on that?
And this is not to brag, just fact...I do my be$t to give back, by shopping at/donating excess items to thrift stores that benefit childrens organizations (dakota boys & girls ranch)
And LENDING money to friends/co-workers who might not be in as good a $hape as I currently am. My most recent borrower just repaid 3 franklins, that he borrowed before Christmas, so he could get his heat back on.
Hefty salary...yeh b1tc4es, I'm kick'n it LARGE...
Sorry all, rant over...
Last edited by Ldub : 08/09/2011 at 06:42 PM
Super VXer
Yeh...bleeding heart idjutz.It's real simple Dub, your living in a country of idiots.
Then: YAY...no child left behind...
Now: OK, let's lower the bar a bit, & just leave a few behind...
Amazing how economic reality can change this or that...
NEVER the compensation/benefits of the powers that be, just those who may have been stupid enough to put them there...
Super VXer
I'm OK with my opinion being "not becoming"
See my last 2 replies for further clarification...
Good luck with that al-key-haul test, hope you make a million...
Super VXer
That's quite a lot of pissed offedness for what you have to admit is a pretty understandable word assumption based upon some sort of expectation that I can psychically determine that when you say "well paying" you mean nearly minimum wage. But you sound exactly like the type of person who would dramatically benefit from a modernized and fairer medical insurance system, one that provided coverage for these health tragedies while controlling overall costs to the public, such that our medical costs in the US were not nearly twice that of other OECD countries while providing inferior basic care. It is why I insist on calling certain programs a safety net rather than welfare, because they protect normal citizens against the vagaries and unpredictable tragedies of fate. Immigration seems to be your hobby horse, and it was not my intention to get into that. But how noble it is that you will acknowledge "a few" of them are decent. Do I take it that that means the vast majority are not? And yet statistics suggest that the overwhelming majority are in fact decent people, working to make a life, paying taxes and social security even when they will not be permitted to collect on several big categories of the benefits. Many of our lowest crime rate cities are the ones with the highest Latino immigration rates.
As too birth control issues, I agree! But that is absolutely not a problem exclusive to immigrants, who in fact dramatically reduce birth rates within a generation of arrival. Continued ability to distribute birth control, funding of planned parenthood, and provide something other than the demonstrably worthless abstinence only sex ed are but a few ways to help deal with the staggering costs associated with excessive teen and unwed pregnancies.
Emphatically NO!!!...I NEVER said HIGH paying, I said well paying, as in $8-9.00 an hour, yeah, you heard me right. I've had to piss just to do menial labor on the bagging floor of a sunflower seed processing facility, I've had to piss for the privilege of doing carpentry work, from framing to finish, & most disciplines between the foundation & the shingles, I've also had to submit to a test of my precious bodily fluids for the right to work WAY too many 0000-0800 shifts as a security guard...LUCKY F-N me!
All done under the guise of lower insurance rates...
A couple of those jobs included the option of purchasing medical/dental & vision coverage, my current job has no such option.
You will probably reply that it's my choice to work in these capacities, & due to a few bad choices in my mis-spent yoot, I probably should have gotten a better education after graduating high school...at the time, it wasn't a real option, & i'm OK with that.
In the mean time, organizations such as lutheran socialist services continue to bring "refugees", from third world $h*# holes around the globe, into our community, to place an even larger burden on all aspects of local & federal social betterment programs.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...I live from check 2 check, make just slightly too much to qualify for any type of government assistance, & DREAD having to sell my truck & guns & what not, to cover whatever medical emergency/procedure (priced a colonoscopy lately?, or having a tooth pulled/filled?, or maybe even a splenectomy, or the removal of a gall bladder that's gone on the fritz?) that may well blip the radar after reaching the age of fiddy.
Why yes, there are a few of "them" who are fine upstanding citizens, & I have more than a few friends who qualify as "upstanding them", including friends from Sudan, Usbekistan, Somalia, & Bosnia.
However, there are an equal, if not greater number of "them" who are out most evenings cutting cats off parked vehicles for the recycling $ (I know, industrious, creative, & eco friendly), burglarizing homes, & just being $h*# heads in general...you're damned right there are a lot of home grown, hard working, well armed SOB's out here in the heartland wondering why they've gotta go PP in a cup to support all this crap...
Oh, & lest we forget all the children...HELLO...if you're already impoverished, & receiving every conceivable form of govt assistance, the logical thing to do would be:
1 - get the unit, (on either mom OR pop (if you know who that might be)) fixed.(prolly won't co$t much...y'all welcome, that's something I wouldn't mind helping to finance...
2 - practice some other form of birth control ( I happen to know that this option is available at little or NO cost through various organizations, such as planned parenthood or community health (MUCH cheaper for those of us paying the bills than another mouth to feed, clothe, educate, etc)
OR...
3 - keep popp'n em' out every 10-11 months, thereby insuring a continuous flow of free $ until the last one is "out da house", & the aged "hoo-hoo" won't put bread on the table no more.
To say that you (anyone in disagreement) & i see things differently would be a safe bet, & that's OK by me...you're still one of my VX brethren &/or sistren...
Stigmatizing poverty?...yeah, you got me...
Hefty salary...
Sorry all, rant over...
Super VXer
WTF fairy tale country do you live in?! Did you not see in the news the other day that there are more latino toddlers than there are are white toddlers? Yet there are almost a 3 to 1 ratio of white adults to latino adults? That means that latinos are having 3 babies to our 1? http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/pim09st.pdf Blacks are 6 times more likely to be incarcerated and hispanics are 3 times more likely. Do not give me some BS excuse that we treat them unfairly, if that statistic held to whites, we have thousands of violent crimes each day across the nation that cops turn their heads from.
How many mexicans do I see at walmart with 6 little kids running amok in the store? I rarely see a white family with that many kids, hence the fact that we are being bred out of majority.
And yes, I used the term breed and bred. Do not forget that we as humans are animals, candy coating it with some ***** footing word does not change its meaning, crap or ****, its got the same flies buzzing around it. That is a whole nother rant, PC BS. It is not against any law to offend someone, and I don't care if someone is sensitive.
As for Ldub, I don't get it either. Dupont is a factory, 10-12 an hour, yet they piss monthly. Once again, not a high paying job. My dad makes his guys piss in a cup and does random drug tests. That is for 8-10 range as well. His is a matter or of principal, and get this....insurance! Seems to me that sober employees are more dependable and less likely to get hurt than high employees. Kind of like drug addict welfare parents are more likely to stay on welfare. How about this. No one makes them go get welfare. They have a choice. How about they make the sacrifice to do whats best for their kids and give them up(the drugs or the kids, take your pick). There are about to be a plethora of newly wedded same sex couples that would love to adopt! (sorry, couldn't help it, personally I couldn't care less, but we are back to why the church can't take care of the problems. The church no longer matters in our society. Morals are gone. Moms started working outside the home, divorce is considered ok as the norm rather than the exception, people stopped going to church, and so on. Although I am not religious, I get the concept, important in its role to teach morals, which contributes to stable society. Seems that the homos that make the news are flamboyant and downright immoral. Ever seen a gay parade or festival? I had the great pleasure of living in Orlando for gay disney days. Its like a sinful porno in public. What you do in your home is your business, don't take it to the streets under the pretense of civil rights....sorry, way way way off topic.)
You seem to think the best of people Osteo, and that is ok. Naive, but it is undeniably your right. Unfortunately, people aren't inherently good and honorable as you seem to think. We will kill each other for a deal on a tv, shoot each other in the back for a pair of shoes, burn you alive because of religious views, and so on. We are merely intelligent animals. Honor has to be taught to you by your parents or your social environment. You have to be held to that standard. Our social coddling system does not do that, in fact, it does just the opposite, we encourage the use of the programs, make it cool even, when it should be shameful. Not many things that drive people to do well as efficiently as shame. Is it the nicest, nope, but it gets the job done. Kind of like bright orange or pink prison jumpsuits. In this aspect, the ends justify the means. We should discourage people from using these safety nets, after all they are there for an emergency.
Ldub-I use coupons religiously, find the BOGO or clearance items and double up. I would estimate I save 150-200 a month in coupons. I spend hours sorting and perusing sale ads, but its worth it. That is a good question, can't say I have ever seen someone using their food stamp card submit coupons to the cashier. But why would they, it cost them nothing, its not even their money!!
Last edited by Marlin : 08/09/2011 at 07:29 PM
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
Super VXer
I'll respond tomorrow Marlin, please look for it. I want to cool down from your homos remarks before posting.
Super VXer
Homos remark? Because I shortened homosexual into homo? Well, I better not say VX anymore, its vehicross from now on.Just ribbing you now.
"A rose by any other name doth smell as sweet" or something like that. Call it whatever term you want, it all means the same thing. PC BS to the rescue!!!!!
Super VXer
But I'd like to know why...
I have to provide a clean urine sample to get most any well paying job.
Yet those who receive the benefits of my labors, through socialist govt programs, have to provide nothing more than a signature & a pulse...
Someone PLEASE splain it to me...
Just kidding X2
Super VXer
right, because gross generalizations about the entire gay community based upon you seeing a gay parade is not at all f-ing homophobic. but please, pretend it was just an abbreviation. Perhaps you can include an animal metaphor about "those people."
Super VXer
I thought you said you would respond tomorrow
Super VXer
Marlin,
I am living in the country where someone's random invocation of "that news the other day" is insufficient to convince me of their sweeping generalizations, as is their anecdotal stories about what they saw at Walmart. I strongly suspect confirmation bias, in that you are remembering those events which reinforce your preexisting opinions far better than the overall things you see and experience. Hey, did you see any of those shows on TV with those moms that have all those feaking babies? 19 kids and counting? Kate + 8? You know, white chicks? Ever hear of the Quiverfull movement? Wanna guess the predominate race of all those? Do I get to make broad assumptions based on that, or should I use actual, you know, facts and statistics? So I eagerly await any info you have to support your fear of a slightly tanner future, other than all those Mexicans kids you saw in the parking lot as your blood began to boil at the injustice of it all. As to birth rates: I could not care less about the birth rate by ethnicity, but do care about the birth rate by socioeconomic class, a much more "important for our future" statistic. I want to repeat that: I do not care if the future of our country entails an ethnic mix that is slighlty less white than currently, and to worry excessivly about this is to be but a few steps removed from "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children." My comment which appears to have set you off, and I am not even sure you read it, is that immigrant birth rates decrease after a generation, and rapidly approach the US norms associated with economic class.
While "PC" some years ago was a bit out of control, today it seems to be primarily the term a person cries in order to inoculate themselves against any charge of generalization, unfair assumptions, bigotry and other unseemly behavior. "You don't get to say I'm being unfair when I say X because I invoked the magic cry of PC, so I am the actual victim here!" Do you know what is not excessive "PC"? Disagreeing with you. It is a pretty big distinction, and you seem eager to confuse actually PC censorship, in which someone seeks to prevent you from expressing your opinions or dismiss you from the discussion, with someone that expresses a criticism and contrary position while alledging unfair logic, fact distortion, or just general impoliteness. Your animal metaphores and breeding comments have, so far, been restricted only to ethnic minorities. I merely pointed out that if you want to convince others, and come across in certain circles as less rude, that you would benefit from different words, words that are usually used for humans, like "birthrate". Now if you want to go on a cussword filled rant about me pointing it out, knock yourself out, but it doesn't make you any more convincing.
"Morals are gone" and yet the crime rate is the lowest it has been in decades, teen pregnancy is on the decline, and standards of living have risen across the country. If that is "morals are gone" then give me even less of them. Divorce is on the decline of late, but admittedly is in the 40+% range overall, but the primary reason for the post war rise in divorce rate, and no fault divorce laws, is the century long redefinition of marriage such that women were not absorbed into the property of their husbands, and have the option of pursuing a different life. You know, free choice and all. As for the homos and those terrible terrible gay parades: Grew up in Orlando, live in Miami Beach, so safe to say I have seen a bit. Question for you: ever seen television? A college Spring Break? Beach front wet tshirt contest? Jersey Shore? A thousand million other overt displays of heterosexuality in our modern life? Yeah, hard for me to get excited about those queers going excessive at an annual parade. But by all my means, lets push them back behind closed doors, you know, for the children.
Super VXer
they have?
only because people can not afford it anymore...
Super VXer
Hey Dubaroo, sorry man, the battery in my in-every-way-a-luxury cell phone hath expired... I shall be giving you a ring ring in the morrow.
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