Taxes!

[Triathlete]

Hey Dubaroo, sorry man, the battery in my in-every-way-a-luxury cell phone hath expired... I shall be giving you a ring ring in the morrow.

Way to rub in your "wealthness" Zeus!

[Ldub]

That's quite a lot of pissed offedness for what you have to admit is a pretty understandable word assumption based upon some sort of expectation that I can psychically determine that when you say "well paying" you mean nearly minimum wage. But you sound exactly like the type of person who would dramatically benefit from a modernized and fairer medical insurance system, one that provided coverage for these health tragedies while controlling overall costs to the public, such that our medical costs in the US were not nearly twice that of other OECD countries while providing inferior basic care. ..
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No thanks, I know the swiftness & quality of socialized medical care in other countries, through the actual experiences of relatives/friends who either live there, or have recently visited...both N & S.
I have a cuz in CANADA, & a step bro in MEXICO, & neither of them has ever lied to me in the past 4-50 yrs of our acquaintance.

I'd like the "free 4 life" coverage that those who were elected by their "subserviant underlings" enjoy please...
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It is why I insist on calling certain programs a safety net rather than welfare

tay-tow-tot-tow...call it what you will...

Immigration seems to be your hobby horse, and it was not my intention to get into that. But how noble it is that you will acknowledge "a few" of them are decent. Do I take it that that means the vast majority are not? And yet statistics suggest that the overwhelming majority are in fact decent people, working to make a life, paying taxes and social security even when they will not be permitted to collect on several big categories of the benefits. Many of our lowest crime rate cities are the ones with the highest Latino immigration rates.

Well, to put a point on this fact first...I purposely didn't mention any race of Latino persuasion, knowing that would be later carted out as the "example" of what I said...NOPE...BS denied!

Next point, in no particular order..."a few" is who I know, the "overwhelming majority" is who I see on the news & in the "crime report" of the daily paper...yeah, I know...the police blotter is being spun by Glenn Beck...



As too birth control issues, I agree! But that is absolutely not a problem exclusive to immigrants, who in fact dramatically reduce birth rates within a generation of arrival. Continued ability to distribute birth control, funding of planned parenthood, and provide something other than the demonstrably worthless abstinence only sex ed are but a few ways to help deal with the staggering costs associated with excessive teen and unwed pregnancies.

Well of COURSE
... going from 12 spawn, needed to keep the family stump bog afloat in the old (non industrialized) ( see, I'm work'n witcha here, I didn't say 3rd world $k1# hole...) country, to 6 spawn is a 50 % reduction....O happy Day!!!

As for Ldub, I don't get it either. Seems to me that sober employees are more dependable and less likely to get hurt than high employees.

Couldn't agree more...
HOWEVER
...since when did dear ol' dads insurance co$t preclude my constituional right to " life, liberty & the persuit of happiness?...or my "supposed" presumption of innocence until proven guilty?
Piss'n me on the presumption of possible guilt is....
VERY heavy handed for someone that calls him or herself an american. JMO.
What I do with my time away from work is MY business, as long as it has no effect on my attendance, or ability to perform the tasks that have been assigned to me, there should be no right to search my piss for "possible" guilt. What right are YOU willing to give up for the betterment of dads business?

If I'm caught doing something illegal by the LAW, then I deserve to be punished & scrutinized, but to be searched under the presumption of guilt?...seriously?

"The economy was to be subordinate to the goals of the political leadership of the state"...one of the beliefs of nazism...

Figure out which direction you wanna see this country go...

BTW...tell pop to start his shifts "artificially" 25 min earlier...then everyone will be on time for work...


Kind of like bright orange or pink prison jumpsuits. In this aspect, the ends justify the means.

HUGE fan of Sheriff Joe, & HERE'S WHY...

SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!
You all remember Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona, who painted the jail cells pink and made the inmates wear pink prison garb. Well.........
SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!




Oh, there's MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!

Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors said okay.

The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who'd like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.

The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago. He was neutered, and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him. Cost us $78.

The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.

I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.

He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the Holidays, and plant it later.. We have six trees in our yard from the Prison.

Yup, he was re-elected last year with 83% of the vote. Now he's in trouble with the ACLU again. He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural, that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn't doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border. He's kind of a 'Git-R Dun' kind of Sheriff.

TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO

HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF

AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona ) created the 'Tent City Jail':

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights. Cut off all but 'G' rated movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a Federal Court Order that required cable TV for jails so he hooked up the cable TV again; only let in the Disney Channel and the Weather Channel.

When asked why the Weather Channel he replied, 'So they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my Chain Gangs.'

He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.

When the inmates complained, he told them 'This isn't the Ritz/Carlton......if you don't like it, don't come back!'


More On The Arizona Sheriff:

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports:
About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.

Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their PINK SOCKS.

'It feels like we are in a furnace', said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the TENTS for 1 year. 'It's Inhumane.'

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: 'It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths!'

Way to go, Sheriff!

Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

IMO...Sheriff Joe 4 PREZ in 2012!...

Just kidding X2

LOL...

right, because gross generalizations about the entire gay community based upon you seeing a gay parade is not at all f-ing homophobic. but please, pretend it was just an abbreviation. Perhaps you can include an animal metaphor about "those people."

HEY!!!...I believe "those people", or at least "them", was MY metaphor...

[Ldub]

Hey Dubaroo, sorry man, the battery in my in-every-way-a-luxury cell phone hath expired... I shall be giving you a ring ring in the morrow.

A cel phon isn't a luxury iff'n I ain't pay'n fer it...

[ZEUS]

In other news... holy FECES and any other word meaning excrement!!! ...I agree with so many of Chris's points I just might vomit. Next thing you know he will own a Jeep! ...And then, of course, he went and ruined it again...

Never saw this thread till this evening - WAAAAY too much fun!!!

I live in Utah - Whites have more kids than blacks or latinos do around here. Yet instead of taking money from others to support their fleets of family members they give 10% away. It's a great business model more than anything else. Our government is not... hence the economical issues we deal with.

I associate with some Africanese refugees who are more patriotic and responsible than many born-and-raised Americans... of any color. I fully believe they bring greatness as well as respectable diversity to this melting pot of a nation. However, I grew up in a border town in Texas and can tell you I predicted the future when my age was a single digit. The future is coming true yet I have already had time to deal with it... still not happy about it tho. The poor come in many a color... doesn't mean I care to pay for them. Harsh? Perhaps, but overall, and in general, in my experience the poor have brought it upon themselves and passed it onto their children. Give to those who only want to take and they will just keep taking... Nice guys get taken advantage of - we've been too nice.

Someone mentioned areas of the highest Latino immigration equaling low crime rates... that is partially because members of that society now need to be bilingual and many of the American-English speaking folk have been driven out, leaving employment voids. Having a job and responsibility means less need to thieve. So naturally some of those immigrants also became law enforcement... You don't arrest your cousin; you help him stay out of trouble... El Paso, TX was used to test the idea of a border wall - the results are why the rest of the border now has a wall. EP crime dropped dramatically but the Juarez crime skyrocketed afterward. To me, tax dollars well spent, yet also, too little too late. I believe socialistic healthcare is just a warning that existing illegal immigrants are going to be given amnesty. To me, tax dollars poorly spent.

[VXR]

back to taxes... does anyone else find it odd they tax unemployment

[Ldub]

In other news... holy FECES and any other word meaning excrement!!! ... ...mmmmmmmmmm...CORN!...

I agree with so many of Chris's points I just might vomit. Next thing you know he will own a Jeep! ...And then, of course, he went and ruined it again...

Never saw this thread till this evening - WAAAAY too much fun!!!

I live in Utah - Whites have more kids than blacks or latinos do around here. Yet instead of taking money from others to support their fleets of family members they give 10% away. It's a great business model more than anything else. Our government is not... hence the economical issues we deal with.

I associate with some Africanese refugees who are more patriotic and responsible than many born-and-raised Americans... of any color. I fully believe they bring greatness as well as respectable diversity to this melting pot of a nation. However, I grew up in a border town in Texas and can tell you I predicted the future when my age was a single digit. The future is coming true yet I have already had time to deal with it... still not happy about it tho. The poor come in many a color... doesn't mean I care to pay for them. Harsh? Perhaps, but overall, and in general, in my experience the poor have brought it upon themselves and passed it onto their children. Give to those who only want to take and they will just keep taking... Nice guys get taken advantage of - we've been too nice.

Someone mentioned areas of the highest Latino immigration equaling low crime rates... that is partially because members of that society now need to be bilingual and many of the American-English speaking folk have been driven out, leaving employment voids. Having a job and responsibility means less need to thieve. So naturally some of those immigrants also became law enforcement... You don't arrest your cousin; you help him stay out of trouble... El Paso, TX was used to test the idea of a border wall - the results are why the rest of the border now has a wall. EP crime dropped dramatically but the Juarez crime skyrocketed afterward. To me, tax dollars well spent, yet also, too little too late. I believe socialistic healthcare is just a warning that existing illegal immigrants are going to be given amnesty. To me, tax dollars poorly spent.

B_I_NGO...

[Marlin]

...since when did dear ol' dads insurance co$t preclude my constituional right to " life, liberty & the persuit of happiness?...or my "supposed" presumption of innocence until proven guilty?
Piss'n me on the presumption of possible guilt is....
VERY heavy handed for someone that calls him or herself an american. JMO.
What I do with my time away from work is MY business, as long as it has no effect on my attendance, or ability to perform the tasks that have been assigned to me, there should be no right to search my piss for "possible" guilt. What right are YOU willing to give up for the betterment of dads business?

If I'm caught doing something illegal by the LAW, then I deserve to be punished & scrutinized, but to be searched under the presumption of guilt?...seriously?
So if I see someone doing a crime, I should do nothing about it unless the law catches them??


Oops, I think I wasn't clear on this part. He has no choice but to test them. If he doesn't, his insurance rates go way up, and then he loses money. As a company that is trying to not outsource to the China, every penny counts. The VPs took huge paycuts in order to minimize layoffs. (We are talking about VPs that only make 100k a year, not 1.5mil a year) This a company that takes care of its people, if they are willing to contribute to the company. The idea being that if you have an incentive to see your company succeed, ie-stock shares, bonuses and so on, you will try harder.
He would rather not piss test except at hiring, of if they have an accident or whatnot. But with his insurance being a significant cost in the mix, he has to. He provides coverage to his full time employees, so thinking about how much health care costs, you can see why he would do this.
Sorry if that didn't come out the way it was supposed to.

Justin,
That is a much better way to portray what I was trying to say about the Mormons. It wasn't anecdotal, it was supposed to represent Mormon policy. As a rule, they (of course not all, calm down osteo) or rather as a culture, they do not let their members go on welfare, food stamps, government aid and so on. They take care of their own.

Here we go again, as a nation, PC BS has led to minority catering. I was under the impression that democracy fundamentally meant majority rules. Apparently it only rules so long as you don't offend or not coddle each minority, be it, color, ethnic, religious, sexual orientation or otherwise.
Its ok for the government to overstep its boundaries and take my money away from me, but when it comes to making them pee in a cup to get my money, thats going to far? Riiiight, that makes a lot of sense. Throwing the PC flag is a justified call, its not a cop out to be a bigot, although it wouldn't matter anyway. BO got all kinds of flack were referring to the Special Olympics with regards to his bowling skills. Who cares? Apparently, the uber minority of special olympics folks, and guess what, now you can't even say retard. How many words are going to be black listed? Watch the movie idiocracy, that is where we are heading.
We don't want people to be self sufficient, we want people to do what they are told, yet be free while doing it at the same time? Can't have both.

[VXR]

Watch the movie idiocracy, that is where we are heading

water? you mean like in the toilet...

[Marlin]

Just a thought, no numbers or anything, but I don't think illegal immigrants want amnesty. It would destroy their niche completely. Right now they are in high demand because as an employee, they have a low overhead. No taxes, no insurance, no SS and so on. They can do the same job for half the cost. Make them all citizens, backdate their tax/ss/fees debt and now they can't work for below minimum wage anymore. That would ruin everything they have right now, and then a flood of more illegals would have to arrive to take their spot. No, if I was a hardworking illegal trying to make it in the US because Mexico and other Hispanic countries suck, making me a legal citizen would be the last thing I want. Driver's license, insurance, having to follow laws and so on. It would completely remove what makes me special and desirable.
Those positions at the bottom will still exist and need to be filled, that means more illegals will flock to fill them. Then those that were illegal are jobless and no longer competitive, and so become a bigger safety net burden?

[Marlin]

Hey, did you see any of those shows on TV with those moms that have all those feaking babies? 19 kids and counting? Kate + 8? You know, white chicks? Ever hear of the Quiverfull movement? .

Your are 100% right! They are entertainment shows, not reality. That is what makes them popular. No one wants to watch a show about a house full of illegal immigrants, that is reality, thats not entertaining. Its a novelty to see something rare, like a white family with 10 kids. Think of the more popular sitcoms, Family Matters, a black family portraying the role of the sterotypical white family, The Cosby show and so on. It is entertaining because for the most part, it is fiction. Much the same as your tv show examples above. Its the same reason we have shows like "Sweet 16" and Bridezilla. We hate those girls but they are not representative of what all girls are like, and that is the entertaining part.

"Morals are gone" and yet the crime rate is the lowest it has been in decade

Really, did you realize that the US has the highest incareration rate as compared to any other country in the world.

The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world. As of year-end 2009 the rate was 743 adults incarcerated in prisons and jails per 100,000 population.[4][2] At year-end 2007 the United States had less than 5% of the world's population[27] and 23.4% of the world's prison and jail population (adult inmates).[5]

Crime is at an all time low because inmates are at an all time high.

[Ebenezr]

Goodness Gracious what have I started....

[samneil2000]

I hate to join the back and forth but I gotta throw my .02 in. I know first hand that there are folks here that aspire to get on social security. To them, that's making it. They would rather get it than work. I overheard a conversation between two African-American women. One was working at Target, checking. The other was a customer behind me in line. As I was checking out they struck up a conversation. The worker asked the customer where she had been. She said she hurt her ankle and had to get on social security. The checker then said oh yeah, me too. I been trying to get my social security too. I got heart problems.

Yes, you have a heart problem indeed...

People don't realize that social security and other handouts takes peoples motivation away. People would now rather suck from the teet the nation rather than contribute to it.

Check out my blog Chris. I'm right there with ya. Too much going on in my head and needed a place to vent.
http://munfordsam.blogspot.com/

[Ebenezr]

Alright folks its time for me to chime in. It is too late. Problems should have been dealt with years ago but were not. Now we are in a damned if we do - damned if don't situation. Government spending can NOT be cut. It is too much of the economy. If we cut it then the economy will DE-stimulate and go from recession to depression. Simularly taxes can NOT be increased. Our last hope is the rich. Yes the rich. those that have the ability to create wealth and jobs by creating a business that produces inovation and new jobs. If we tax them -then we remove that wealth that they would use to create businesses and jobs. There is much more to this but I don't want to be lengthy. Batten the hatches friends. The rioting you see overseas will break out some day on our shores.. in New York City with levels of civil disobedience we never thought could happen.

[Marlin]

Alright folks its time for me to chime in. It is too late. Problems should have been dealt with years ago but were not. Now we are in a damned if we do - damned if don't situation. Government spending can NOT be cut. It is too much of the economy. If we cut it then the economy will DE-stimulate and go from recession to depression. Simularly taxes can NOT be increased. Our last hope is the rich. Yes the rich. those that have the ability to create wealth and jobs by creating a business that produces inovation and new jobs. If we tax them -then we remove that wealth that they would use to create businesses and jobs. There is much more to this but I don't want to be lengthy. Batten the hatches friends. The rioting you see overseas will break out some day on our shores.. in New York City with levels of civil disobedience we never thought could happen.

Viva la revolution!!!

Why can't we cut aid to foreign countries, tax the piss out of companies who outsource, making it cheaper to hire at home? Why can't we tier the taxes on profit, making it ideal to make a fair profit, vice the gross billions in profit and so on. That would prevent them from raising prices to maintain their current bloated profits when they are forced to hire folks at home.

[vt_maverick]

No offense Eb but that's exactly the kind of thinking that has gotten us where we're at. We've been sitting at the dinner table staring at our peas for decades - sooner or later we're going to have to eat them. Cutting spending and raising taxes will no doubt have significant and immediate negative effects, but in the long term that's what we have to do IMHO. Somewhere along the way our politicians lost their collective intestinal fortitude to make the right decision - they're primarily concerned about their ability to get re-elected, which is why you see all this "Oh no we can't even consider that, the consequences would be too great!" talk in the media. It's the consequences to their political career that are too great - we have weathered worse as a people in our past, and we can and should do it again to get to a better place.