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    Angry Taxes!

    Tax his land, tax his wage,
    Tax his bed in which he lays.
    Tax his tractor, tax his mule,
    Teach him taxes is the rule.

    Tax his cow, tax his goat,
    Tax his pants, tax his coat.
    Tax his ties, tax his shirts,
    Tax his work, tax his dirt.

    Tax his chew, tax his smoke,
    Teach him taxes are no joke.
    Tax his car, tax his grass,
    Tax the roads he must pass.

    Tax his food, tax his drink,
    Tax him if he tries to think.
    Tax his sodas, tax his beers,
    If he cries, tax his tears.

    Tax his bills, tax his gas,
    Tax his notes, tax his cash.
    Tax him good and let him know
    That after taxes, he has no dough.

    If he hollers, tax him more,
    Tax him until he's good and sore.
    Tax his coffin, tax his grave,
    Tax the sod in which he lays.

    Put these words upon his tomb,
    "Taxes drove me to my doom!"
    And when he's gone, we won't relax,
    We'll still be after the inheritance tax.

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    Bad week turning into a bad month there Eb?

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    LOL, well, not really, you forgot the second verse, the part where you give it to all those that do not have a mule, a job, a car, a work ethic, a useful skill, an ounce of pride, a dab of patriotism or a smattering of responsibility. Those taxes must be redistributed to the Sick, the Lame, and the Lazy.

    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
    Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by vt_maverick View Post
    Bad week turning into a bad month there Eb?
    Hmmm. How did you guess that Mr VT Maverick??

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    Or they are redistributed to the largest defense organization in the world to pay the salaries and benefits to our military personnel, eh Marlin? The idea that all those less fortunate than you are Sick Lame and Lazy is pretty... silly would be a nice word. Particularly given that the income tax rate and overall tax burden is not only one of the lowest in the developed industrialized world, but also lower than it was during the Reagan era and nearly any other time in the modern period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osteomata View Post
    Or they are redistributed to the largest defense organization in the world to pay the salaries and benefits to our military personnel, eh Marlin? The idea that all those less fortunate than you are Sick Lame and Lazy is pretty... silly would be a nice word. Particularly given that the income tax rate and overall tax burden is not only one of the lowest in the developed industrialized world, but also lower than it was during the Reagan era and nearly any other time in the modern period.

    Ah I don't know osteo. 45 million are on gov assistance right now. I wouldn't call em all lazy though. We are seeing people who up till this economy would have never dreamed of being on food stamps and unemployment.

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    Nope, but when I read articles on CNN about proposals for cradle to grave assistance for latino and black males in New York to the tune of 100s of millions.....I went through the roof. Cradle to grave?! What the hell does that mean? What are we telling them? No accountability, "you aren't good enough to do it on your own, so here, from the day you are born to the day you die, here is some money"...here in a few years, they will be the majority, they will be the "man". Does that mean I will get free money to sit at home and do nothing when I become a minority?
    Of the 45 million on food stamps, how many of those really need it? 5 million, 10 million? How many are generational welfare families? How many give an honest effort? I would have to guess some very small percentage, but its just that, a guess.
    The total defense budget is less than 1/4th of our social entitlement programs budget. At least the defense budget does something useful, although I admit that there is a buttload of waste in it, but without it, we wouldn't have any of the other budgets.
    But the military does more than just fight terrorists, lol. We were one of the first on site after the Tsunami, Katrina, Japan, and so on. We do everything. We risk our lives, we help others, for way below minimum wage. Just so happens in a recession that my benefits look pretty sweet, 5 years ago when we were riding high, the military had to push real hard to get kids to enlist, wasn't such a good deal then. Grass is always greener on the other side...unless chuck norris was there, then its likely covered with blood and tears

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    Way below minimum wage my ***. Complete nonsense, and it becomes increasingly difficult to take you seriously about things that you might otherwise have good points on when you spout something like that. Compensation is a total sum, not convenient cherry picking. I agree with fiscal conservatives that see the real need for entitlement reform, but complaining about your deeply feared food stamp queens, especially (gasp) the black and minority ones, is little more than venting, particularly when you admit your totally guessing on the percentages in need.

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    Yes, entitlements should be only for rich white people and the corporations which proxy for them. < sarcasm >

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    Hey I have a great idea...let's discuss religion instead.

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    talk about cherry picking

    Quote Originally Posted by Osteomata View Post
    Or they are redistributed to the largest defense organization in the world to pay the salaries and benefits to our military personnel, eh Marlin? The idea that all those less fortunate than you are Sick Lame and Lazy is pretty... silly would be a nice word. Particularly given that the income tax rate and overall tax burden is not only one of the lowest in the developed industrialized world, but also lower than it was during the Reagan era and nearly any other time in the modern period.
    You pick 2 taxes and rates that help your otherwise false propaganda. The overall tax burden on the American citizen is higher than at any time in the past except during WWII. It is the highest it's ever been in relation to GNP and as S&P stated it is unsustainable for even the next 10 years let alone continuing onward. BO state tax the rich. At what rate? If you took 100% of the richest 10% in the country it wouldn't pay the debt we owe China. It's illconceived. There used to be a time we helped our fellowman without the Liberals telling us how much we should help them. Now we have 70 government organizations redistributing $700,000,000,000.00 every year and the problem gets worse and the solution is more organizations and more wealth distribution. Quit listening to the politicians who get reelected by continueing to feed this monster and do some research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osteomata View Post
    Way below minimum wage my ***. Complete nonsense, and it becomes increasingly difficult to take you seriously about things that you might otherwise have good points on when you spout something like that. Compensation is a total sum, not convenient cherry picking. I agree with fiscal conservatives that see the real need for entitlement reform, but complaining about your deeply feared food stamp queens, especially (gasp) the black and minority ones, is little more than venting, particularly when you admit your totally guessing on the percentages in need.
    Your right, lets talk about compensation. As senior enlisted, I bring home 60K a year in actual money, all allowances included. Now, lets say my medical insurance is worth 700 a month. Lets make it an even 10K a year with dental. That puts me at 70K a year. I stand duty every 4 days, plus full work days. That is 7-8 duty days a month, we are at 168 hours. So just in duty days, I am already working more hours than a civilian. Now, I still have 16 days of work days left, we usually work 0700 to 1600. Thats another 144 hours a month. This does not include PT time (0530-0630) and so on. We do not get mandatory breaks, we have no OSHA stuff, or working laws or whatnot. We are now at 312 hours a month. I do get 30 days of paid leave each year. That leaves 11 months of this schedule. 3432 hours. That is 20 bucks an hour with all compensation included. That is while we are in port, not deployed. Now, lets say its a deployment cycle, on the CVN76, I did 2.5 deployments in 2 years. So basically, 6 months each year. Those years I put in about 6020 hours, for the same pay. That means I am down to 10 bucks an hour, actual cash is below minimum wage pending what state you live in.
    I operate a nuclear reactor, my civilian counter part makes close to double my income, same medical benefits, and only does about 200 hours a month at work. (I used 4 weeks for the sake of simplicity) That is 2200 hours a year. That means he is making around 65-70 bucks an hour to do a much easier job. They only do their actual job, no training, no ship's quals, no maintenance unless they are a maintenance guy, no dealing with NUBs, no going to sea, no threat of life and limb, air conditioning and so on.
    Now having said all that, seemings that a DB TSA agent makes 13 an hour starting, I am way under the curve. I am a licensed nuclear operator, 12 years experience, 2 classes away from a bachelors.
    Now, I will grant you that there are folks like Yeoman, basically secretaries, that get the same pay I do. There are cooks and all the other menial jobs that are WAY overpaid. They are doing alright compared to their civilian counterpart. They also do no represent the bulk of our armed forces, nor do they represent the most important parts. Without our engineers, mechanics,electronics guys and so on, we would be nothing.

    Anyway, back to the welfare thing. Whites account for a little over half of the people on welfare. Made me kind of sad to think that you were right when I saw that on the census site. Then I realized, whites account for 72.4% of the US population. That means, although whites are half the welfare recipients, that means the other half comes from the remaining 28% of non-whites?
    Prior to the recession, 1 in 3 blacks were on welfare, or rather 30%. Only 5% of whites. Hispanic/asian were about the same as the blacks. That number has not changed, yet the ratio of whites/nonwhite is getting smaller and smaller, soon to be overtaken and become less than one.
    Taking all that, that means that our entitlement will only get more expensive, unless there are some MAJOR cultural changes at a familial level for the minorities.
    So explain to me how this is just ranting? Show me some numbers that show otherwise. I pulled my data straight from the US census website. Lots of neat stuff on there. So *gasp* away, now that I have the percentages, it makes me feel worse.

    I would love to see data about how many folks on welfare/state/federal aid, regardless of color, have cell phones, internet, cable, drink alcohol or smoke. How many wants do they have while I pay for their needs? Wish there was some way to actually quantify it, but since our government can't cut the wants when we are broke, how can you expect an individual american to do it?
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    I can already predict his response

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlin View Post
    Your right, lets talk about compensation. As senior enlisted, I bring home 60K a year in actual money, all allowances included. Now, lets say my medical insurance is worth 700 a month. Lets make it an even 10K a year with dental. That puts me at 70K a year. I stand duty every 4 days, plus full work days. That is 7-8 duty days a month, we are at 168 hours. So just in duty days, I am already working more hours than a civilian. Now, I still have 16 days of work days left, we usually work 0700 to 1600. Thats another 144 hours a month. This does not include PT time (0530-0630) and so on. We do not get mandatory breaks, we have no OSHA stuff, or working laws or whatnot. We are now at 312 hours a month. I do get 30 days of paid leave each year. That leaves 11 months of this schedule. 3432 hours. That is 20 bucks an hour with all compensation included. That is while we are in port, not deployed. Now, lets say its a deployment cycle, on the CVN76, I did 2.5 deployments in 2 years. So basically, 6 months each year. Those years I put in about 6020 hours, for the same pay. That means I am down to 10 bucks an hour, actual cash is below minimum wage pending what state you live in.
    I operate a nuclear reactor, my civilian counter part makes close to double my income, same medical benefits, and only does about 200 hours a month at work. (I used 4 weeks for the sake of simplicity) That is 2200 hours a year. That means he is making around 65-70 bucks an hour to do a much easier job. They only do their actual job, no training, no ship's quals, no maintenance unless they are a maintenance guy, no dealing with NUBs, no going to sea, no threat of life and limb, air conditioning and so on.
    Now having said all that, seemings that a DB TSA agent makes 13 an hour starting, I am way under the curve. I am a licensed nuclear operator, 12 years experience, 2 classes away from a bachelors.
    Now, I will grant you that there are folks like Yeoman, basically secretaries, that get the same pay I do. There are cooks and all the other menial jobs that are WAY overpaid. They are doing alright compared to their civilian counterpart. They also do no represent the bulk of our armed forces, nor do they represent the most important parts. Without our engineers, mechanics,electronics guys and so on, we would be nothing.

    Anyway, back to the welfare thing. Whites account for a little over half of the people on welfare. Made me kind of sad to think that you were right when I saw that on the census site. Then I realized, whites account for 72.4% of the US population. That means, although whites are half the welfare recipients, that means the other half comes from the remaining 28% of non-whites?
    Prior to the recession, 1 in 3 blacks were on welfare, or rather 30%. Only 5% of whites. Hispanic/asian were about the same as the blacks. That number has not changed, yet the ratio of whites/nonwhite is getting smaller and smaller, soon to be overtaken and become less than one.
    Taking all that, that means that our entitlement will only get more expensive, unless there are some MAJOR cultural changes at a familial level for the minorities.
    So explain to me how this is just ranting? Show me some numbers that show otherwise. I pulled my data straight from the US census website. Lots of neat stuff on there. So *gasp* away, now that I have the percentages, it makes me feel worse.

    I would love to see data about how many folks on welfare/state/federal aid, regardless of color, have cell phones, internet, cable, drink alcohol or smoke. How many wants do they have while I pay for their needs? Wish there was some way to actually quantify it, but since our government can't cut the wants when we are broke, how can you expect an individual american to do it?
    You are a rascist Republican who hates children and kicks puppies. With a chorus of Kumbayah and the liberal slogan "Think of the Children"

    By the way for our liberal readers who do not understand sarcasm this is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlin View Post
    I did 2.5 deployments in 2 years.
    And that's on the most expensive platform to put underway. I used to do 200-250 days a year at sea on a FFG, working 20-21 hours a day 6 days a week.

    Hoo Yah, underway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by circmand View Post
    You are a rascist Republican who hates children and kicks puppies. With a chorus of Kumbayah and the liberal slogan "Think of the Children"

    By the way for our liberal readers who do not understand sarcasm this is it.
    LOL, I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN!!! Although I share most republican views, I am more of a libertarian/independent. Not a big fan of religion and I am pro choice. I am pro legalization of pot, to save money in law enforcement and make lots of tax revenue. Be careful when you make assumptions, someone may come back with actual numbers to back up their point...lol.

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