Taxes!

[Marlin]

A disclaimer does not automatically inoculate you against someone saying that your statements are either a gross distortion or offensive. You don't get a free ride for starting a silly comment with "this is only my opinion" or some variant of it. You have repeatedly conflated my opinions and positions with some sort of imagined strawman. It suggests that you are not willing to discuss or debate in good faith. If you continue to say "osteo believes x" I never used those words, I said "it seems that Osteo thinks.....a huge difference. One says I believe it is fact, the other says that based on the info available, this is my deduction)when I have repeatedly told you no, I don't believe that ridiculous position, it is a product of your fevered imagination, then how can anyone possibly discuss this with you?

The disclaimer was supposed to tell you that "based on your statements, this is what I think of you." It was supposed to spur you to defend your position with more than well written retorts pointing out how I am paranoid or generalizing. I was covering my bases to prevent the "your generalizing", "so you know me so well","so you speak for all of us now?" retorts that are typical from the liberals on this site....No offense intended, but its a fact. Based on your statements throughout, especially when you opened with "you should do some research and provide sources" and what not, yet I have done that, over and over again, yet you have not returned the favor. Instead, you have attempted to discredit my info as negligible, yet I got my info from the census bureau, the crime stats are form the DOJ site, the drugs stuff is from the manufacturer site and so on. These are not wiki sources, these are no kidding .gov sites. I have provided you with the facts, you have repeatedly stated your position, and your typical response is "your facts aren't real facts" It makes you look like a bleeding heart, coddling, liberal that does not want to face the real world. I would guess that you are not that since you seem to be an intelligent person, but your words and opinions sure make it look that way, much the same as mine made me out to be a bigot. A fairly close representation when I look at it from outside myself. I am ok with that. My opinions are based on my own experience in my world and based on the facts I have been presented with. I can't ask for anything more than that.
Making a decision based on any other form of info would be folly.

I am sorry, but this whole thread can be surmised in "Hope does not get stuff done". I have no hope or faith in those that have been given EVERY chance and opportunity, yet continue to screw up. I have no hope that a human will do whats best when tempted with large amounts money, so much money that it is incomprehensible. I have no faith that people will choose the right path, especially when it happens to be the harder path. Its not to say that any of these things are not possible, but since I tend to think of things as odds, I would like to bet on the horse with the best odds.

So I would fire one back over your bow about good faith debating, support your positions with facts, not a statement negating my facts, I have provided the sources, legit sources. It is you who is not arguing in good faith. I present the facts as facts, and my opinion as "this is my opinion" and you shut that down. What exactly are your rules in "good faith debating"?