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I think it's really immaterial whether they shot him 5 or 50 or 71 times - it's what happened just before shots 1-5 or so that really matters, since that's probably all it took. Did they announce themselves or not? To me that's the central question - I think it's pretty reasonable to assume I'm going to die if SWAT knocks down my door and I'm pointing an assault rifle at them (shooting or not).
Super VXer
According to the wife and the neighbor, who is a Vietnam vet, there were no sirens or announcements that they were police until after it was all over. Also, they denied the paramedics access to him while he was still alive and on the floor bleeding to death, not that he could survive that many hits. His wife even called 911and begged the SWAT members to get him help but they didn't let the medics get to him for over an hour. How is that justifiable?Originally Posted by vt_maverick
Super VXer
Is not justifiable under no circunstance denying medical assistance to a wounded individual,if that's the case then the police just violate a universal human right.
Based on the info the ex marine was crowlling under some furniture which means he was expecting somebody,but didn't knew it was the police ( How possible he didn't knew if they ID'd they self as they said ) I bet if he knew is more likely he would surrender.
The guy was working overtime to keep up with the bills,so drug dealing is not a possibility
The police didn't knew as of who and how many people were inside the house,which could ended up been a massacre if more people were in the line of fire,and that means the SWAT team didn't had any intel of the house more than just being suspicious of drug dealing
No drugs,no laundering money,no signs of drug dealing or drug paraphernalia were found....so WTF
I think the wife has a good case to sue the entire city.
You can't open fire just because someone is handling a gun,in order to open fire that individual must 1rst show intentions to aim and shoot at you,once that is the situation you are legally able to fire,no questions asked.
In similar situations law enforcement officials fails to command the individual/s surrender their weapons to avoid fatalities,they just open fire.
Dakar was just the begining.
Super VXer
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the reason they opened fire was because one of their own people had an accdental discharge. They heard the shot and saw wood chips come off the door frame so they all opened fire.
Super VXer
where does it say that? it says one of the rounds hit the door frame and sent chips flying, to me all that was explaining is why there were reports of the man firing back then later saying that he didnt actually fire shots.
a man dying with no explanation is never acceptable, but dont presume he was innocent because hes ex-military. the fact that he was a marine is completely irrelevant to the story
"Engineers believe if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet"
Super VXer
I think that is BS by all means.They just trying to cover their as@es
As a law enforcement official you must report if you opened fire so if one of the SWAT team member " accidentally" opened fire the rest of the team shall knew that the inicial shoot was done by one of their own.
Super VXer
I've read a bunch of articles on it. I'll find the one that mentioned the accidental discharge after I eat.
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