OSB...DEAD as fried chick'n...body in US hands...SWEET!

[Marlin]

LOL..no kidding!




I'm guessing that maybe..just maybe...

...the conspiracy theory protagonists are (in general) simply anti Obama.

Ya think...

jo

Not even close, its not that we are anti-obama, its that we are anti-gigantic, breast feeding, hand holding, money leeching government.

[Osteomata]

You tell him Marlin. And be sure and turn in your family's Tri-Care cards, don't want none of that socialized single payer medicine.

Not even close, its not that we are anti-obama, its that we are anti-gigantic, breast feeding, hand holding, money leeching government.

[Marlin]

You tell him Marlin. And be sure and turn in your family's Tri-Care cards, don't want none of that socialized single payer medicine.

Not sure how that relates, I perform a service for my benefits. The average person rarely spends more than 50 hours at work, certainly not away from home for months at a time at a fraction of their civilian counterpart's pay. Furthermore, my government cohorts, IRS, FBI, Federal Civilian and so on get FAR more benefits than I get. I am moving to washington state from Charleston, 3200 miles, I have to pay for my own house hunting costs, flight, hotel and whatnot and I don't have a choice in my move, they order me where to go. If I was a fed civ, they would pay my leave, my flight, reimburse my travel, even help me sell my house! They get matched TSP (our 401K) contributions and so on.

Back to the scheduled conspiracy discussion! Sheeple Unite!!!!

[Osteomata]

Your overall compensation, too include 100 % full family medical coverage, an extraordinary retirement plan, tax exempt BHA and other allowances, etc are competitive to civilian jobs for people with equivalent skill sets. Your deployments result in additional pay and allowances, often tax exempt. You can receive house hunting leave, leave and proceed time, travel allowance, moving allowances, separation allowances, base housing, house finding assistance, and any number of government funded programs to help your family be, well and fare. Your gov civ comrades have just as many complaints as you. DoS FSOs just had their oversees housing COLA slashed to next to nothing, as an example, and their matched TSA doesn't come close to military retirement advantages.
But to address your larger point, big gov programs are exactly what you have done and been supported by your entire career.
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Not sure how that relates, I perform a service for my benefits. The average person rarely spends more than 50 hours at work, certainly not away from home for months at a time at a fraction of their civilian counterpart's pay. Furthermore, my government cohorts, IRS, FBI, Federal Civilian and so on get FAR more benefits than I get. I am moving to washington state from Charleston, 3200 miles, I have to pay for my own house hunting costs, flight, hotel and whatnot and I don't have a choice in my move, they order me where to go. If I was a fed civ, they would pay my leave, my flight, reimburse my travel, even help me sell my house! They get matched TSP (our 401K) contributions and so on.

Back to the scheduled conspiracy discussion! Sheeple Unite!!!!

[Marlin]

Your overall compensation, too include 100 % full family medical coverage, an extraordinary retirement plan, tax exempt BHA and other allowances, etc are competitive to civilian jobs for people with equivalent skill sets. Not as a nuke its not, not even close... Your deployments result in additional pay and allowances, often tax exempt. Um, I don't get any additional pay except the few hundred for family separation allowance, but we lose BAS (food money, which is about 300 a month, so I actually lose money. Some pay is tax exempt, but so is every person over there, even regular civilians. You can receive house hunting leave, leave and proceed time, travel allowance, moving allowances, separation allowances, base housing, house finding assistance, and any number of government funded programs to help your family be, well and fare.If I take base housing, they take away my BAH, so no benny there. THe fed civs get all those allowances and more. They also get the DLA and almost double the per diem and mileage pay, must be more expensive for a civ to travel than a service member Your gov civ comrades have just as many complaints as you. DoS FSOs just had their oversees housing COLA slashed to next to nothing,I received in COLA in guam, pretty good scam. Turns out, on base shopping is same price as stateside, so we don't have to live off of the local community, so its pretty much cash in the pocket! as an example, and their matched TSA doesn't come close to military retirement advantages. I will put in more hours on one deployment than a civ will in 4 years of a regular 40 hours a week job. I have done 3 deployments to the gulf, one to N. Korea and countless weeks just tooling around in the ocean. We also have to stand duty, kind of like a fire fighter, only we don't get days off. Every 4th day, we stay the night, plus our regular work days. Our over night is up working. That means you have a 90+ hour work week.
But to address your larger point, big gov programs are exactly what you have done and been supported by your entire career.Kind of, but as I said, I work for my benefits, Joe Shmo sitting at home with his high speed internet collecting welfare and unemployment doesn't do anything, he even has the gall to complain about a drug test in order to receive his free money
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I understand what you are saying, but do we need to spend hundreds of millions on a train from vegas to disney? There are so many crazy govmnt programs out there! We give away BILLIONS in aid to foreign countries? We are special programming ourselves into a debt that can never be paid back. It may be part of the plan, perhaps they will just wipe the slate clean

I did see an article that Obama is evaluating a new tax, because we don't have enough for the average person already. In addition to fuel tax, they are considering a mileage tax. When you pay for fuel, a GPS recorder will calculate miles driven and you will pay an additional fee at the pump based on your mileage.

[technocoy]

I did see an article that Obama is evaluating a new tax, because we don't have enough for the average person already. In addition to fuel tax, they are considering a mileage tax. When you pay for fuel, a GPS recorder will calculate miles driven and you will pay an additional fee at the pump based on your mileage.

Obama shot this down from the get go. It was never proposed or evaluated by him. Ray LaHood brought it up in reference to a program Oregon has toyed with, and when it was asked what the President thought about it, it was immediately said that it wasn't even considered.

[JoFotoz]

So if Bush was still in office......

Not even close, its not that we are anti-obama, its that we are anti-gigantic, breast feeding, hand holding, money leeching government.

...you would still be taking the same conspiracy line?

I have to say..I doubt it.

And JBTW...

Breast feeding....like the handout of $'s to American Auto Co's
Hand holding......like the handout of $'s to Wall Street
Money leeching...remind me, whats was the name of that company Chainey had a rather big interest in...oh yea..Haliburton.

Seems to me that plenty of " financial hand holding" goes on both ways.....





jo

[Marlin]

So if Bush was still in office......



...you would still be taking the same conspiracy line?

I have to say..I doubt it.

And JBTW...

Breast feeding....like the handout of $'s to American Auto Co's
Hand holding......like the handout of $'s to Wall Street
Money leeching...remind me, whats was the name of that company Chainey had a rather big interest in...oh yea..Haliburton.

Seems to me that plenty of " financial hand holding" goes on both ways.....





jo

I just spent some time going through my post, I didn't see any mention of Bush in there. Thought maybe all the radioactive fallout was getting to me You make many assumptions fellow VX owner. That is why I said its not just anti-obama, although, if I were having heart surgery, I wouldn't pick the surgeon with no experience just because he was a smooth talker. I wouldn't pick the surgeon that spent the most money on his pitch. I would pick one with experience in his field.
Stuff is out of control, we have developed this lazy,entitled society. I experience it everyday, I have to take kids out of high school and make them into top notch nuclear operators and we only have 18 months to do it. From public school level to bachelors degree in 12 months, plus 6 months OJT. They complain that we don't give em enough time for video games, their rooms aren't big enough, its not fair that they have so much homework and that we should have one on one tutors to help them. We fight this battle everyday, we fight with the W.O.W. addictions and sheer laziness.
It seems that everyday we get closer and closer to the world portrayed in Idiocracy. Someone please tell me what to do!!! I can't make my own decisions!

[technocoy]

So no helicopter tail even bears a remote resemblance to that tail assembly?

Doesn't seem like so much of a stretch once you add suppressors, cones, etc.

Apparently you didn't look hard enough.

Attachment 1436

I love all the conjecture and forensic crash site experts by the way. Some of you guys should be working for CSI being able to judge an entire flight scenario from a photo of a tail assembly lying beside a wall with absolutely no context or knowledge of whether it's been moved, further disassembled, etc.

Attachment 1437

Attachment 1438

Attachment 1439

[Marlin]

So no helicopter tail even bears a remote resemblance to that tail assembly?

Doesn't seem like so much of a stretch once you add suppressors, cones, etc.

Apparently you didn't look hard enough.

Attachment 1436

I love all the conjecture and forensic crash site experts by the way. Some of you guys should be working for CSI being able to judge an entire flight scenario from a photo of a tail assembly lying beside a wall with absolutely no context or knowledge of whether it's been moved, further disassembled, etc.

Attachment 1437

Attachment 1438

Attachment 1439

LOL, good thing this is the VX site and not a FAA site, relax everybody, this is just a boredom website, nothing official (I couldn't secret service smiley with the glasses and ear piece)

Is that bottom photo from the compound or some other crash? If its from the compound, thats not the same wreckage...

[vt_maverick]

I love all the conjecture and forensic crash site experts by the way. Some of you guys should be working for CSI being able to judge an entire flight scenario from a photo of a tail assembly lying beside a wall with absolutely no context or knowledge of whether it's been moved, further disassembled, etc.

+1000 - Passing judgment on guys who just put their lives in harms way for us is exceptionally poor.

As for everything else... there's plenty of blame to share, Bush and Obama, Republicans and Democrats in Congress, a litigation-obsessed society, minimally engaged and/or effective parents, and the list goes on. I hope you guys are arguing to give each other a hard time, and not serious about trying to lay blame at (any) one person's feet.

[technocoy]

+1000 - Passing judgment on guys who just put their lives in harms way for us is exceptionally poor.

As for everything else... there's plenty of blame to share, Bush and Obama, Republicans and Democrats in Congress, a litigation-obsessed society, minimally engaged and/or effective parents, and the list goes on. I hope you guys are arguing to give each other a hard time, and not serious about trying to lay blame at (any) one person's feet.

I think when it comes to the big picture, someone would be a fool to think it could be blamed on any one person or any one party, that's for sure.

Just look at the economic mess, this goes all the way from just before Reagan through every single president since, including Obama. They have all sold out to the highest bidder. It's all cool when you're raking in that campaign cash, thinking youre about to go in there and make a difference... Then you learn that it wasn't free.

I think it's ridiculous to think that those men on that mission were anything but the best of the best all around. If it's a simple enough mistake that someone here can throw it about it's probably NOT what happened. Hahaha.

When this all first started coming out, someone in the admin had said that at some point there was a systems failure and there was a controlled sit down, which would absolutely not be that far fetched if they were running experimental or top secret aircraft.

Either way, it took some balls all the way around. I mean, SEAL team six, SOAR, etc and so on, not to mention someone had the wherewithal to say, screw Pakistan's image, let's go get the bastard. It's becoming more and more suspicious by the day and appears that someone was informing his *** each time someone got on the trail.

When you look at the whole of it, it's kind of a badass mission to think about. They straight-up flew into another country's airspace unannounced with one of the most elite teams we have, called em up like 5 minutes out all "we're rolling up in your junk, keep yourself in check, busted through the mission all Tom Clancy style and didn't give a **** if they were armed or not. Capped the bastard (rightfully so), took all the information, torched the downed stealth tech and got the hell out leaving like 5 people still in the house standing there like, "wha?".

All the while the heads of state are sitting there watching it all live and first person ala Predator 2 style.

I mean, that's gotta count for something. Badassery.

[Ldub]

That is why I said its not just anti-obama, although, if I were having heart surgery, I wouldn't pick the surgeon with no experience just because he was a smooth talker. I wouldn't pick the surgeon that spent the most money on his pitch. I would pick one with experience in his field.
Stuff is out of control, we have developed this lazy,entitled society. I experience it everyday, I have to take kids out of high school and make them into top notch nuclear operators and we only have 18 months to do it. From public school level to bachelors degree in 12 months, plus 6 months OJT. They complain that we don't give em enough time for video games, their rooms aren't big enough, its not fair that they have so much homework and that we should have one on one tutors to help them. We fight this battle everyday, we fight with the W.O.W. addictions and sheer laziness.
It seems that everyday we get closer and closer to the world portrayed in Idiocracy. Someone please tell me what to do!!! I can't make my own decisions!

Sorry Chris...but that dog won't hunt...

I have no party affiliation...they ALL make me ILL...
If you wanna label me anything I guess it would be libertarian.

However, the point made has a flaw.

Those morons you're trying to train, came up through the educational system overseen by the last two term prez...

[technocoy]

Sorry Chris...but that dog won't hunt...

I have no party affiliation...they ALL make me ILL...
If you wanna label me anything I guess it would be libertarian.

However, the point made has a flaw.

Those morons you're trying to train, came up through the educational system overseen by the last two term pres...

Not to mention that all these kids are brought up in a society where people are allowed to let their kids do whatever the hell they want and are never held accountable. Now, that of course leads to other conversations like parent's being overworked and therefore not home enough... Not being able to support a family on single incomes anymore etc, etc. There is a ton of grey area, but to assume that all kids that come out of school are part of some mass welfare society is a little insane. Kids are failing in all regards because we don't value education in this country, period, and kids' don't get their asses kicked anymore, and they also get handed 300-500 dollar gadget at the drop of a hat.

I live in the "up and coming" part of a pretty recent yuppy invasion neighborhood downtown. I put out an email to the "community message board" last week asking if there were any young teenagers that wanted to mow my grass for 20 bucks a pop when I didn't have time. Not only did not one teenager want to do it, I got berated by parent's who actually called me an advocate of "Child labor".

I was mowing lawns to pay for my Atari and Freestyle bikes, Tools, lumber for my treehouse, etc from the time I was 9 and 10 years old. Other chores even younger. There is no work ethic being instilled by PARENT's... That has jack to do with our government.

That said, I'm not defending the excess spending as it makes me pretty sick as well, but to attack aid programs without talking about military cuts or mid term tax increases it ridiculous.

[technocoy]

Marlin,

It's the same tail section just flipped vertically as they drag it. The thing that I think is throwing people off is that first image (I think you linked to it) is the one getting passed around the most and it has a lot of foreshortening going on in the image. Its hard to make out the shape because it's pointing right at you, as if you were looking straight down on the tail rotor head.