It's 10 PM, do you know where your spring helpers are?

[Ldub]

If you're not using your spring helpers all the time you will have a noisy ride by virtue of the direct contact between the shocks and springs to the body and frame, there would simply be no insulation factor without the spring helpers.

...the rest of the points you've made up until now are at least debatable, with a great many sticking points attributable to possible discrepancies in nomenclature.

But there is no "direct contact" between the springs/shocks & the frame, there are rubber spring isolators between the springs & frame, & every shock absorber I've ever seen has bushings in both ends.

But if what you've done is working for you...

[blacksambo]

[QUOTE=Ldub;227828]...the rest of the points you've made up until now are at least debatable, with a great many sticking points attributable to possible discrepancies in nomenclature.

But there is no "direct contact" between the springs/shocks & the frame, there are rubber spring isolators between the springs & frame, & every shock absorber I've ever seen has bushings in both ends.

But if what you've done is working for you. The shock and spring are transmitters between the body and frame unless something mitagates...thus the addition of the spring helpers. It's the meat in the sandwhich.

[Ldub]

The shock and spring are transmitters between the body and frame unless something mitagates...thus the addition of the spring helpers. It's the meat in the sandwhich.

Well see there...if you woulda referred to them as sandwich meat, or even ham sammiches, instead of spring helpers, we woulda known what you were talkin' about from the get go...

And the majority of this thread woulda never happened...

I've always called bump stops ham sammiches...

[technocoy]

The springs have the same connection points as before with or without the Bump Stops. I'm not sure I see this argument.

The suspension type was new because of the monotube shocks, low body roll (stiffer sway and side to side components) and high wheel travel. It has nothing to do with a standard component on every 4x4 ever made.

Sorry dude, I'm totally not trying to be difficult here it's just that the argument doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The parts we are talking about are so short and stiff they would do nothing to help the "ride" of a vehicle simply because of the amount of travel in a suspension at speed. It would be like getting rid of your shocks and springs on any downward movement and only having rebound help.

I'm not doubting that your experience may be that vibration has been cut to an extent, it's the same as tapping a wine glass and putting your finger anywhere on the side dampens the vibration. However that's a whole different thing from improving the ride.

Two or three others in the forum have had the exact opposite experience by TRIMMING their bumpstops and getting a MUCH smoother ride with a tiny bit more body roll. KAT is one of those I believe.

I mean, anything is possible and there are a lot of variables of course to our suspensions but I can't see how these are any more than what they are on every other 4x4 vehicle ever made.

I love our vehicle and it goes farther in a LOT of ways, but let's be honest, it's not perfect and there are some pretty glaring oversights here and there.

I could certainly be wrong, but it goes against every bit of experience I've had with 4x4 vehicles.